Muslim Invasion of Europe

a reply to: anxiouswens

An exodus is not an invasion.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: enlightenedservant





Thanks. Though I have to clarify something. It's not "moderates" who are like me, it's the majority. Wahhabis make up a very small amount of Muslims. They're the ones with the blood feud against Shiites & are called "Radical Islam" instead of Wahhabis by Western media. That's because the Wahhabi leaders in Saudi Arabia & Qatar are major supporters of the petrodollar & make major investments in Western stocks & bonds (and defense contracts).

Radical Wahhabis recruit disillusioned Sunnis to convert to their sect then wage war on everyone, claiming they represent the "true Islam".


Ironically, I don't hate Wahhabis. I just wish they'd reject their intolerant & violent BS. Those who've committed crimes should face prosecution for those crimes while the others should be rehabilitated. The other irony is that I'm the type of Muslim they target the most, because I don't fear them & I know Islam well enough to counter their brainwashing BS. But many poor Muslims don't even have a Qur'an, so they only know what their local religious figures teach them. That makes it easy for the wealthy Wahhabis to come in & recruit them.

For a very small number of Muslims they sure create a 'bloody' mayhem

Well yeah, since they have the support of the Western Military Industrial Complex, our armies, our media, our bankers, and our intelligence agencies.

For example, just look at the major arms deals we make with Saudi Arabia & Qatar. Then realize that Saudi Arabia only has 28 million people, and 6-8 million of those are poor migrant workers. And Qatar only has 2 million to 2.5 million people, with only 250,000 or so being citizens! The rest in Qatar are mostly poor migrant workers! So think about who the West is arming every time we make major sales of planes, missiles, and the such to them. ISIS surely isn't making Humvees in their slave pits.

And look at the location of US bases in the Arabian Gulf. We're literally propping up those governments, even though we know they're the major supporters of Wahhabi extremists. Our military bases in Qatar & the UAE clearly aren't there to stop the spread of Wahhabi extremism, otherwise we'd be attacking their leaders instead of Assad (who's been fighting the Wahhabis this entire time).

a reply to: anxiouswens

This is a very important issue, and a very real one. It isn't just Europe, either, as they are coming into Canada and the United States as well. What this is is an invasion. Governments allowing this are complicit. It isn't "xenophobia" or "Islamophobia", or "racism" to state this, either. It's simple common sense, which, sadly, is rare these days!

This is a real problem, and the various governments are not going to stop it, or protect their people. Every single time the Muslim population in a place reaches a certain point, the Muslims there become violent. Every single time. The only possible thing to do is to be ready to protect yourself.

At this stage, a one world government is far closer than a lot of people want to believe.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

An exodus is not an invasion.

No. It's an album by Bob Marley and the Wailers.

To topic, the hundreds of thousands of immigrants is not an invasion, but it is a flood.

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: enlightenedservant

In all honesty, Wahabi Islamists have a Christian equivalent - the bible thumping fundies.

However, for the most part the Christians are non violent (Although you do get some pretty awful things happen like Waco still)

Open minded and tolerant Islam is no problem - as long as those who follow it can accept that pluralism and the law of the land comes before Sharia law in the west.

The hardline Wahabis on the other hand are scary because they push boundaries and are not afraid to use violence and bloodshed to get their way. And that is something I hope we can both agree is unacceptable and endangers the pluralistic way of life we enjoy in the west.

Oh I agree completely, as do most Muslims. That's why Wahhabism is still a small sect; because the vast majority of Muslims reject them. And that's also why at least 75-90% of Wahhabi's victims are other Muslims (depending on the incident or conflict).

I refuse to link their propaganda, but there are numerous articles & speeches from them online that explain why they go after Muslims first. Basically, they claim they need to "clean up" Islam by purging all Muslims who don't submit to their interpretations. And only then can their "pure" Islam fight off the Jews, idol worshippers, and blah blah blah. (Though in all fairness, there are actually "moderate" Wahhabis too. But they have no power, which is why Wahhabi extremism exists in the first place.)

Here's another way to look at it. The Kurdish people are roughly 90% Sunnis & they've been fighting them the whole time. Syria & its armed forces are mostly Sunni & they've been fighting to protect Assad (a Shiite) and to protect the country against the Wahhabis. Iraq's about 60% Shiite & 30% Sunni, and they're fighting against the Wahhabis. Afghanistan's crazy warlords are Muslims & they've been fighting against the Wahhabi Taliban since before most Americans knew who the Taliban is. Hezbollah (Shiites) are helping the Sunni-majority Syrian Army fight against the Wahhabis, too.

One last way to look at it is like this. Most estimates say there are at least 5 million Muslims in America right now. If even one tenth of the fearmongering were true, wouldn't there be suicide bombings & beheadings all over America? With this many Muslims, if we were really violent, wouldn't it be front page news everyday of American churches & mosques getting blown up; armed extremists seizing governments & factories; IEDs all over the highways, blowing up random drivers, etc?

Instead, you'll rarely find incidences of Muslims committing crimes here at all. In fact, most of the American Muslims you see on tv are sports stars & entertainers like Dr. Oz, Dave Chappelle & Ice Cube lol. The most famous current "negative" American Muslim is Farrakhan, who is rejected by nearly all American Muslims. And as bad as he is, he's still no worse than some of the shock jocks on AM stations.

I have muslim friends, my little boy's closest friend is muslim and comes to our house and for days out and my child goes to his house, days out with his family. So I am not saying all muslims are bad, far from it. When I am voicing concern I am talking more about ISIS and their twisted ideology and the fact that they may well have infiltrated some of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants now coming into Europe on a daily basis, I think they would be mad not to have used Europe's open borders policy to try and send some of their own people over. What do you think, do you believe there could be extremists hidden amongst the immigrants/refugees? I know my muslim friends do, but if I say the same on here I am told I am being paranoid!reply to: enlightenedservant

a reply to: angryhulk


Europe has it the worst because their inhabitants have no balls nor any guns. As an American, I am thankful for my guns. Yes, that is meant to be in plural form.


You guys are just sitting ducks over there waiting to be exploited and walked on.

a reply to: angryhulk


Europe has it the worst because their inhabitants have no balls nor any guns. As an American, I am thankful for my guns. Yes, that is meant to be in plural form.


You guys are just sitting ducks over there waiting to be exploited and walked on

A real man would NOT leave his family behind in a war torn country as he leaves for greener pastures.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I have muslim friends, my little boy's closest friend is muslim and comes to our house and for days out and my child goes to his house, days out with his family. So I am not saying all muslims are bad, far from it. When I am voicing concern I am talking more about ISIS and their twisted ideology and the fact that they may well have infiltrated some of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants now coming into Europe on a daily basis, I think they would be mad not to have used Europe's open borders policy to try and send some of their own people over. What do you think, do you believe there could be extremists hidden amongst the immigrants/refugees? I know my muslim friends do, but if I say the same on here I am told I am being paranoid!reply to: enlightenedservant

Honestly, that's always a possibility. The whole point in terrorism is to create fear & panic among your opponents. So even the suggestion of ISIS members disguising themselves as refugees accomplishes their goals because:

1. It creates fear among the citizens of the countries refugees are entering.

2. It incites negativity among those citizens, which is channeled towards the legitimate refugees (who are also ISIS's enemies, hence why they're fleeing).

3. It may force the host nations to start rejecting or punishing the legitimate refugees. Ironically, this footage & the clips of the anti-refugee leaders are then warped into propaganda by ISIS, showing how "evil" the West is & why it needs to be fought. And let's not get started on the fate of the refugees who are forced to return to ISIS controlled areas where their families may be.

The good thing is the host nations in Europe are pretty advanced. So each country has different procedures to identify & determine who each refugee is & what their background is. No security procedure is perfect though.

EDIT: In the first paragraph I said "even the suggestion of ISIS members disguising themselves as refugees accomplishes their goals". I don't mean that you making that suggestion accomplishes ISIS's goals. I mean ISIS will make grande claims like that to accomplish their goals.

It's the same reasons they claim connections to random incidences across the world. 1. It creates terror & negativity in the countries where that incident happened; and 2. It helps with morale among their members & sympathizers. It makes it seem like they have a wider reach than they really do. This can convince backers to support them more and convince sympathizers that they're following the "winning" team. After all, it's human nature for many people to want to back "successful" ventures & to shun "failures". So they have to keep showing off their "successes" to keep their income & new recruits. This is also why media should ban their BS propaganda.

I agree. I wouldn't have ever known of some about some of the atrocities that ISIS have carried out if it hadn't been for the British media plastering the images all over the front page. Thankfully, I've never looked at any of the videos they have released, nor would I want to, my imagination is enough. Unfortunately, by doing so the media are just spreading ISIS propaganda for them.

On the opposing side though journalists would probably say they have to report on the things ISIS are doing to let the world know how barbaric they are and to show the reality of living under ISIS control.

As well as the terrorist threat though I also feel concern with regard to how refugees/immigrants are going to integrate and assimilate with European culture, simply because of the sheer numbers. a reply to: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: LooseLipsSinkShips
a reply to: angryhulk


Europe has it the worst because their inhabitants have no balls nor any guns. As an American, I am thankful for my guns. Yes, that is meant to be in plural form.


You guys are just sitting ducks over there waiting to be exploited and walked on

A real man would NOT leave his family behind in a war torn country as he leaves for greener pastures.

I am glad you are not representative of most Americans. You are thankful for your guns - well pal I have lived for 39 years and not needed a gun once, I would hate to live in a place where I needed a gun to feel safe.

Oh and make no mistake, you are being exploited and walked on despite your guns.

So you live in a place where you need a gun to feel safe and are shafted by your government and yet you bring up a family there without doing anything about it except buying a gun sorry 'guns'....i feel sorry for you, I dont care about the size of your balls but if brains were dynamite you couldn't blow your hat off.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I agree. I wouldn't have ever known of some about some of the atrocities that ISIS have carried out if it hadn't been for the British media plastering the images all over the front page. Thankfully, I've never looked at any of the videos they have released, nor would I want to, my imagination is enough. Unfortunately, by doing so the media are just spreading ISIS propaganda for them.

On the opposing side though journalists would probably say they have to report on the things ISIS are doing to let the world know how barbaric they are and to show the reality of living under ISIS control.

As well as the terrorist threat though I also feel concern with regard to how refugees/immigrants are going to integrate and assimilate with European culture, simply because of the sheer numbers.

The way I see it, a business would have to spend a small fortune to get the front page coverage that ISIS gets for free. It's like our governments need us to know about ISIS so we'll support more foreign interventions. And it's crazy that if I post an unauthorized video on many video or download sites, they can pull the video down & even terminate my account. But posting ISIS recruitment videos & atrocity videos is fair game?

Also, I don't think integration will be a problem long term. These same countries have been taking immigrants & refugees for much longer. After this surge in new arrivals subsides, I expect the immigration programs to go back to normal.

originally posted by: Forensick

originally posted by: LooseLipsSinkShips
a reply to: angryhulk


Europe has it the worst because their inhabitants have no balls nor any guns. As an American, I am thankful for my guns. Yes, that is meant to be in plural form.


You guys are just sitting ducks over there waiting to be exploited and walked on

A real man would NOT leave his family behind in a war torn country as he leaves for greener pastures.

I am glad you are not representative of most Americans. You are thankful for your guns - well pal I have lived for 39 years and not needed a gun once, I would hate to live in a place where I needed a gun to feel safe.

Oh and make no mistake, you are being exploited and walked on despite your guns.

So you live in a place where you need a gun to feel safe and are shafted by your government and yet you bring up a family there without doing anything about it except buying a gun sorry 'guns'....i feel sorry for you, I dont care about the size of your balls but if brains were dynamite you couldn't blow your hat off.

I'm from Chicago, walk in my shoes..you will wish you had a gun.

a reply to: anxiouswens

no go zones lol - i think this was proven to be fabricated. They said they had them in the UK. they don't.

just fear spreading. this part made me laugh "pulls together all the different fears that a lot have been speaking about here on ATS."

Why fears? everything is always about fear. they have had their country torn apart and had to come to countries they dont understand just for a chance of survival. aint they the ones living in Fear?

i live in a house, running water, entertainment on Tv, even broadband. what fears do i have? spiders maybe.

i think we all look at this immigrant situation with negative view point - they are humans trying to survive. we would do the

"Any criticism of Islam in Europe is treated as a form of racism, and "Islamophobia" is considered a crime or a sign of mental illness".

sae

Thats being prejudiced anyway, its not really tolerated amongst most peoples beliefs or cultures.

i think there is a lot to fear out there. this is not one of them. most Muslim men are working anyway.

We say Islam wants to take over everywhere. Don't our government's? don't the Vatican if they could?. at least these guys let you know and you know where you stand. Pinky and the brain wanted global take over. Dont mean they ever got it.

show love not hate

I guess that some in Europe WISH THEY had more guns..www.wnd.com...

originally posted by: eluryh22 a reply to: anxiouswens Perhaps this is a little off topic, but my two cents.... It's one thing to deal with refugees (real or alleged). What astounds me is I hear literally NOTHING by way of doing something about the root cause. Why not have a coalition of nations carve out safe-zones adjacent to where people are allegedly fleeing from? Taking in refugees by the hundreds of thousands is like putting a band aid on a cut that requires stitches. This makes me suspicious that all this is by design, not something "unexpected."

You mean kind of what they did when they gave the Jews Israel?

It is working okay for them, not perfect but okay.

Maybe if they build it, they will come.

originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
a reply to: anxiouswens

no go zones lol - i think this was proven to be fabricated.

You need to do some research. You are mistaken.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
I guess that some in Europe WISH THEY had more guns..www.wnd.com...

That looks like a pretty reliable source - the headline says "Fourth blood moon unleashes prophecy"

I don't know.... here in France, where we've got a huge problem that has developed due to the second, third and fourth generations of immigrants with cultural identity issues, we've got guns at home, and it just doesn't seem to make any difference to the problem.

a reply to: Bluesma

No it doesn't it reads...ISLAMIC INVASION PULLS TRIGGER: EUROPE NOW SCRAMBLES FOR GUNS

Folk have expressed an apparent need for the societies into which the migrants come (legally or otherwise) to be tolerant &/or to educate the migrants into the accepted norms of social understanding & behaviour. Trouble I can see is that radicalism occurs across a much broader cross section of Muslim society than is traditionally held to be the case. Much of this segment of Western society is otherwise seen as 'moderate Islam', but they have an unspoken measure of support for radical ideas. Consider that bitter oppression of women is an abhorrent crime to a Western mind - in the Muslim world there are many, many layers of such oppression which are acceptable. They range from family disapproval, through peer pressure, through community ostracism, through violence/ rapes, honour killings, onwards to brutal semi-public killings without fear of reprisal (in Muslim countries or regions). Much of what we could consider to be radicalism can be demonstrated to occur across a spectrum from soft to hardline belief.

I consider Islam to be a total life system, not a religion in its base form, but an effective tool for oppression & destruction. I believe that only a third of alleged moderate Muslims are ever a truly Western in their mindset. Some large percentage of 'moderates' almost certainly approve of hardline or terrorist thought, and a reasonable portion could be persuaded to actually engage in thought, speech or behaviour that is decidedly anti-Western/anti-Christian/ anti-other religions. Because when it comes down to it, Islam was designed to spread, and to impact forcefully. It is also designed to persist through generations (as the result of personal & ancestral trauma conditioning..) It is a total life system, taking over & dominating every facet of a person's life, every facet of public, community & family life. There is no real freedom. Even here in the UK, a Muslim man who commits his life to a Christian church, can expect a full gamut of negative, aggressive or persecutory behaviour directed at him, without protection, without even sympathy (trauma conditioning irons out most of the humanity that each Muslim had at birth). A woman could be killed (even more easily than a man) if she dared to openly commit to a church, having been raised a Muslim.

It is a dangerous game, believing the massive influx of 'refugees' are entirely composed of such. Nobody with any knowledge of, or part in the Western intelligence world is possibly seeing this situation as anything but fraught with risk. It is risky in the short, medium & long-term. Islam is no friend to the West, and although I know that the Far Right win support at a time like this, I'm more concerned with the direct threat of fundamental Islam than with the threat of fascism. As that changes, we change - we prevent the rise of terrorist brutality, and if necessary we prevent the rise of traditional fascism. Islam is the most immediate & deadly threat to Europe that we have faced in a generation. The Caliphate is a dream to be realised, widely envisioned by a dangerous amount of people & being enabled by a dangerous amount of very, very wealthy people. What's most terrible is that we can assume that as things stand, this scourge will never go away. We'll always need to be on guard - this war on terror is an eternal war, because it's being fought against a formidable & omnipresent, twisted power, a near-spiritual enemy - one that can't be killed, only locked away.

And please, don't start trying to push Chrislam on us. Perhaps someone's already thrown down the 'Abrahamic traditions' card, I haven't read all the way through - if so, it's invalid, and can be proved as such. Islam is an usurper, a faux-tradition which 'built' upon existing faith groups' records & practice.