Turkey 'downs aircraft on Syria border'

Turkey says its warplanes have shot down an unidentified aircraft which intruded into airspace near Syrian border

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Happened just a tad ago.. let´s see what news brings.

Beat me by 1 minute! Literally!

Not sure What Russia is playing at. They should focus on Syria and stop poking Turkey.

a reply to: dollukka

Here we go.... its gonna get bumpy!

Only a drone...

a reply to: crazyewok

Agree. We don´t know yet what plane was shot down yet.. I am not surprised if it was Russian.

How? did it fly into the engine ?

Allegedly it was warned 3 times.

Not good who ever it was.

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originally posted by: crazyewok
Beat me by 1 minute! Literally!

Not sure What Russia is playing at. They should focus on Syria and stop poking Turkey.

We don't know it was a Russian plane yet do we?

Could just as easily be Syrian Jet, as a Russian.

Come to that, could even be a US jet.

Turkish military confirm aircraft was a drone of unknown origin,

shot down near #Turkey/#Syria border.

originally posted by: oletimer
Turkish military confirm aircraft was a drone of unknown origin,

shot down near #Turkey/#Syria border.

Cheers oletimer.

Could be anyone's drone then, although the US has the biggest drone arsenal, so it's more likely to be theirs.

And warning a drone three times isn't going to get much of a reply is it...i mean, it's a drone!

BBC has not updated their page yet. Please put a links to more news ! Drone or plane ( warned 3 times ? ).

a reply to: dollukka

I would bet my life Turkey under advice of their top dog in NATO the USA, shot down a plane that was close to their border but didn't cross into Turkey

I hope Turkey knows who they are messing with

All of this is what Pentagon wants

They want Russia bogged in war now that Russia is hitting I-CIA-SIS

Well three options really. It could be a Russian, USA or Iranian drone. I'm not aware of Syria using drones but could be wrong. Unlikely to be Iranian due to location.
I am unaware of Russia using drones in Syria.
So at the moment I am going with likely to be an American drone.

This piece by Mike Whitney on what may have been the plan for Turkey to invade Syria is a good read and this latest incident may be a plan B or C ....

"It sounds far fetched, but there are points worth considering. For example, on CBS news program 60 Minutes, Obama said this:
“I’ve been skeptical from the get go about the notion that we were going to effectively create this proxy army inside of Syria. My goal has been to try to test the proposition, can we be able to train and equip a moderate opposition that’s willing to fight ISIL? And what we’ve learned is that as long as Assad remains in power, it is very difficult to get those folks to focus their attention on ISIL.” (60 Minutes)

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

"We’ve suggested in earlier columns that Obama might have struck a deal with Erdogan to launch a Turkish invasion of Syria as long as the US provided air cover for Turkish ground forces. We think this was part of a quid pro quo that Obama agreed to for the use of the strategic airbase at Incirlik. Keep in mind, Erdogan withheld US access to Incirlik for more than a year until the US met his demand to help him topple Assad. Naturally, this is not something that Obama could acknowledge publicly, but it would have been an essential part of any agreement. An interview on PBS News Hour last week with David Kramer, the former assistant secretary of state during the George W. Bush administration, provides some support for this theory. Here’s an excerpt from the transcript:
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, David Kramer, what about that? There is the real worry if the U.S. gets involved, it gets sucked in, dragged in, and can’t get out.

DAVID KRAMER: The Turks had indicated a long time ago that they were prepared to send forces in if the United States provided cover and support. So, we should create safe zones. We should create no-fly zones. We should enforce those for any planes that would threaten people in those areas, whether they’re Syrian planes or Russian planes. We should give the Russians full notice that any violations or attacks on those zones would constitute an attack that we would have to respond to.

Nobody wants this. There are bad decisions that have to be made here, but that’s where we are right now. And I think unless we do that, we will continue to see people get killed, we will continue to see people flee Syria, so there aren’t any good solutions. We have to find the least worst options.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But my question is, isn’t that an entire new level of risk, U.S. planes get shot down, U.S. troops get potentially captured, not to mention a conflict, potential conflict with Russia, unintentional?

DAVID KRAMER: We have the Turks that have indicated a willingness to go ahead. We may have other countries, including from the Gulf, although they’re not great contributors to this kind of operation. The United States could provide the air support, to provide the cover that way. I think there is a way of doing this without putting U.S. forces on the ground, but there aren’t any good options here.” (“Pulling the plug on rebel training, what’s next for U.S. in Syria?“, PBS News Hour)

Kramer not only sounds extremely confident that “The Turks… were prepared to send forces in if the United States provided cover and support.” He also seems to imply that a great many Washington elites were aware of the deal but kept it under their hats. www.informationclearinghouse.info...

So far, the Russians don't really feel concerned :

All Russian jets back to Latakia Airbase after missions, drones operate as planned - Russian MoD

All Russian military planes have safely returned to base in Syria after combat missions, the Defense Ministry said in a statement, adding all drones are operating as planned. Earlier, the Turkish military said it shot down an aircraft on the Syrian border.

a reply to: dollukka

If anything, the message from Turkey is clear "don't dare come near our boarder".

The kind of scenerio that can easily get out of hand.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

June 28, 2015
Turkey Plans to Invade Syria, But to Stop the Kurds, Not ISIS
Yeah, right, kurds and/or ISIS? What a sham!

In a speech last Friday, Erdogan vowed that Turkey would not accept a move by Syrian Kurds to set up their own state in Syria following gains by Kurdish fighters against the so-called Islamic State, or ISIS, in recent weeks. “I am saying this to the whole world: We will never allow the establishment of a state on our southern border in the north of Syria,” Erdogan said

The reports said up to 18,000 soldiers would be deployed to take over and hold a strip of territory up to 30 kilometers deep and 100 kilometers long that is held by ISIS.

Ankara has asked the United Nations and its Western allies to give the green light to create a buffer zone and a no-fly area inside Syria

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

I am sure at this level of awareness all sides are using a very strict operation procedure . They did say they made 3 warnings ,so they are not likely to shoot first and talk later ...

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Surely, but someone was willing to send a drone near Turkey's border and after following through with 3 warnings, they did what needed to be done to bring it down.

The question is, whose drone was it and why was it near the Turkish border, even after Turkey warned recently about shooting down any intrusion into thier airspace, remains to be known.

On a purely speculative note, perhaps someone had the intent to test Turkeys response to airspace intrusion.

I will say Iranian:

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Turkey downs drone, Russia says all jets back to Latakia base, drones operate as planned