Former George Bush Chief Economist Says 911 Was An Inside Job

a reply to: wildb

I posted facts from the RJ Lee group, not much more to say about that, it is what it is,,

Apparently, this RJ Lee Group WTC dust sample report debunks what you have posted.

RJ Lee Group WTC Dust Sample Report

If your looking for a straw man its not me.. again go back to the 2003 report..

a reply to: wildb

You have to understand, you've lost, and have no case.

RJ Lee Group Chart

To sum it up, the RJ Lee Group report found no evidence of thermite or explosives in its dust samples.

To sum it up, the RJ Lee Group report found no evidence of thermite or explosives in its dust samples. edit on 4-12-2015 by skyeagle409 because: (no

lol, keep saying that, it will make you feel better,,lol

a reply to: wildb

Still doesn't fly. The RJ Lee Group made it clear that they found no evidence of thermite or explosive, so once again, you've lost your case.

Still doesn't fly. The RJ Lee Group made it clear that they found no evidence of thermite or explosive, so once again, you've lost your case.

But they did find 3830* F no your lost your case from your own source, lol

a reply to: wildb

But they did find 3830* F no your lost your case from your own source, lol

That is false because the recorded temperatures never reached 2100 degrees F., so you've lost your case again. May I suggest that you read that RJ Lee Report.

BTW;

RJ Lee Group

This frightening "cocktail" of environmental contamination had never been seen before.

It contained components from the planes, jet fuel, fires, standard building materials and electronics that had been pulverized into a fine dust that permeated everything.

www.wtcreflections.rjlg.com...

Nothing there about finding evidence of thermite or explosives in their WTC dust samples.

a reply to: wildb

But they did find 3830* F no your lost your case from your own source, lol

This chart says that you are incorrect.

WTC Temperature Chart

That is false because the recorded temperatures never reached 2100 degrees F., so you've lost your case again. May I suggest that you read that RJ Lee Report. BTW;

Ha Ha you dont know that nor can you prove it , he he he...

a reply to: wildb

Another hint you've lost your case.

...very small metal particles have much lower melting points than their bulk material counterparts (around 900 o C for iron nanoparticles, as opposed to 1535 o C for bulk iron). This is called the "thermodynamic size effect." The towers contained thousands of computers and electric gadgets. Wires and filaments and meshes from electronics, as well as thin rust flakes and other small iron particles, could all have easily been made into microspheres during the WTC conflagration.

www.metabunk.org...

a reply to: wildb

you dont know that nor can you prove it ,

It is all very simple to understand

Images of the World Trade Center Site Show Thermal Hot Spots on September 16 and 23, 2001

pubs.usgs.gov...

Normal building fires and hydrocarbon (e.g., jet fuel) fires generate temperatures up to about 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,000 degrees Fahrenheit). NIST reported maximum upper layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees Celsius (1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the WTC towers

www.nist.gov...

Apparently, this RJ Lee Group WTC dust sample report debunks what you have posted. RJ Lee Group WTC Dust Sample Report

No it does not, it's right there on page 21.



The presence of lead oxides on the surface of
mineral wool indicates the exposure of
high temperatures at which lead
would have undergone vaporization, ox
idation, and condensation on the
surface of mineral wool.

a reply to: wildb

Nothing there about temperatures of over 3000 degrees F. Now, let's read the rest of the story.

RJ Lee Group Report

• Particles of materials that had been modified by exposure to high temperature, such as spherical particles of iron and silicates, are common in WTC Dust because of the fire that accompanied the WTC Event, but are not common in “normal” interior office dust.

911research.wtc7.net...

The RJ Lee Report report had said that the spherical particles of iron and silicates were modified by high temperatures of fire, and said nothing about thermite nor explosives.

It was Steven Jones who duped 9/11 conspiracy theorist on temperatures of over 3000 degree F., but since then, Steven Jones was found to have lied about thermite and even his own colleagues at BYU have trashed his WTC thermite claim. In fact, Steven Jones lied in his report when he said:

Steven Jones Report

The temperature required to volatilize/boil lead is 1,740 C or 3,164 F [8]. No explanation for the origin of the indicated “extremely high temperatures during the collapse” is offered in the RJ Lee report.

www.journalof911studies.com...

Yet, in the RJ Lee Group report, it said that "fire" was the source of the high temperatures, so once again, we have uncovered another lie of many in the report of Steven Jones.

a reply to: wildb

... the question is 3180* F ,

The question is, where did you get that 3180 degree F. figure from when the RJ Lee Group report was specific when it said that high temperatures were generated by fire?

First I'm not reading your posts, second they did not have to. this statement is what matters.

The presence of lead oxides on the surface of
mineral wool indicates the exposure of
high temperatures at which lead
would have undergone vaporization, ox
idation, and condensation on the
surface of mineral wool.

Now lets see what temperatures are needed to do that.

www.engineeringtoolbox.com...


What we see is 1750* C or 3182* F again office fires and jet fuel will not account for those temps, there is no way around that, so what is responsible ?

a reply to: wildb

Steven Jones duped you and other 9/11 conspiracy theorist because he failed to mentioned that iron flakes melt at temperatures of typical office fires.

The RJ Lee Group found no evidence of thermite nor explosives and their report was specific when it said that fire had generated the high temperatures. In other words, you have no case.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb

Steven Jones duped you and other 9/11 conspiracy theorist because he failed to mentioned that iron flakes melt at temperatures of typical office fires.

The RJ Lee Group found no evidence of thermite nor explosives and their report was specific when it said that fire had generated the high temperatures. In other words, you have no case.

Lets look at a few facts, I don't care about Steven Jones, I don't read his work, I am not talking about thermite, As for my case the fact is the report contained an observation that cannot be explained away as fire was the cause. Post all you want say all your want, nothing will change that observation.

That is false because the recorded temperatures never reached 2100 degrees F

I think its safe to say no one was in the building taking readings...

a reply to: wildb

Lets look at a few facts, I don't care about Steven Jones, I

Guess where that 3000+ degree F. temperature figure came from? You can find it in the report of Steven Jones, the same person who has been caught lying about finding thermite at ground zero.

As for my case the fact is the report contained an observation that cannot be explained away as fire was the cause.

Of course fire can be explained. After all, fire generate temperatures high enough that weakens steel.

a reply to: wildb

There are ways that temperatures can be ascertained.