Former George Bush Chief Economist Says 911 Was An Inside Job

Twilight zone , yes..

a reply to: wildb

In other words, you still have no evidence that refutes my presentations. Now, let's take a look here.

a reply to: wildb

I have been to one .......

Biggest identifiable piece of debris was section of rudder 2 x 3 ft and a landing light found 75 yards away after hit parked car

Rest was "metallic confetti" - scraps of metal

Walked the crash scene with flags marking body parts for coroner to recover

Of the 4 people on board - half of chest, hand (minus fingers), several amputated fingers (unknown if belonged to hand)

Remainder was human hamburger - pieces of tissue scattered around

Depends on speed and angle of crash - this one hit nose down at estimated angle of 80 deg at speed of 350 mph (per radar track)

Flight 93 hit at speed of 575 - plane would have been fragmented

a reply to: wildb

I've been to one, and what I saw was big chunks of air frame and mostly intact turbo fans..

Flight 93

Turbofan engine (or whats left)

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Big pieces of wreckage ........

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You lose......

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Salander

Question # 1 - How many aircraft crashes you been to ??

You say there is no wreckage ...... Searchers recovered some 125,000 lbs of debris from the site - thats over sixty tons !!

Here is picture of dumpster used to contain the debris - They filled up ten of these.......

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Probably more than you have.

Deception is deception. Some of us are able to recognize it, some are not.

Shanksville was a magnificent deception, and many folks there tell the story of it. Susan McIlwain is one. She told of being coerced by FBI agents into changing her story. She did not change the story, but did expose them.

a reply to: Salander

Shanksville was a magnificent deception, and many folks there tell the story of it. Susan McIlwain is one. She told of being coerced by FBI agents into changing her story. She did not change the story, but did expose them.

She mentioned seeing a white jet.

Susan McElwain

Susan McElwain, 51, who lived two miles from the crash site, told a British reporter that she had seen a white aircraft pass directly over her head. 'It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50ft above my mini-van," she said. "It was so low I ducked instinctively.

Now, for the rest of story.

The White Jet

Claim: At least six eyewitnesses say they saw a small white jet flying low over the crash area almost immediately after Flight 93 went down. BlogD.com theorizes that the aircraft was downed by "either a missile fired from an Air Force jet, or via an electronic assault made by a U.S. Customs airplane reported to have been seen near the site minutes after Flight 93 crashed." WorldNetDaily.com weighs in: "Witnesses to this low-flying jet ... told their story to journalists. Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever—alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 ft. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5000 ft. and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend."

FACT: There was such a jet in the vicinity—a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft."—not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds.

"The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.

www.popularmechanics.com...

I might add that you are not going to see an intact airliner that slammed into the ground at over 500 mph. wildb, committed a major blunder by posting a video that depicted wreckage of a B-757 in a field and it was evident that the B-757 did not slam into the ground at over 500 mph unlike United 93, and in fact, you can even see open doors and deployed emergency slides from that B-757.

I've asked you to point out an intact aircraft at the crash sites of Caspian Flt 7908 and Belview Airlines, so why haven't you done so? Could it be that you did not want to post a response because those crash sites were identical to the crash site of United 93?

wildb, committed a major blunder by posting a video that depicted wreckage of a B-757 in a field and it was evident that the B-757 did not slam into the ground at over 500 mph unlike United 93

Taking the video out of context is not my blunder..

a reply to: Salander

Shanksville was a magnificent deception

secrecy, detailed questions unwelcome from the media, very telling..

a reply to: wildb

Taking the video out of context is not my blunder..

It didn't take a rocket scientist to make a mockery out of your video considering that it was clearly evident that the B-757 in your video did not slam into the ground at over 500 mph, unlike United 93, and in fact, was actually a survivable crash landing as you can plainly see by the open doors and deployed emergency slides.

Now, let's take a look at the rest of the story about that B-757 depicted in your video.

Britannia Airways Flight 226A

The aircraft touched down hard, bounced, and made a second heavier touchdown causing substantial damage to the nose wheel and its supports. This caused further damage to the aircraft systems, including loss of electrical power, interference with controls and an uncommanded increase in thrust.

The Boeing 757 left the runway at high speed, approximately 1,000 metres (3,300 ft) from the second touchdown point. It then ran 343 metres (1,125 ft) across flat grassland beside the runway, before going diagonally over a substantial earth mound adjacent to the airport boundary, becoming semi-airborne as a result. Beyond the mound it hit a number of medium sized trees and the right engine struck the boundary fence. The aircraft then passed through the fence, re-landed in a field and both main landing gears collapsed.

It finally stopped after a 244 metres (801 ft) slide across the field, 1,900 metres (6,200 ft) from the second touchdown.

en.wikipedia.org...

So once again, you've committed a major blunder by posting that video and comparing the crash-landing of Britannia Airways Flight 226A with United 93.

a reply to: wildb

secrecy, detailed questions unwelcome from the media, very telling..

It was no secret that United Airlines reported the loss of United 93 near Shanksville.

Just putting this out there on the slim chance someone is still reading this thread..

The links speak for themselves..


911research.wtc7.net...

serendipity.li...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: wildb

Just to let you know that o yoi continued to post bogus and debunked videos. For an example, let's take the following photo and please explain to us why this video debunks the claim of 9/11 conspiracy theorist that the WTC buildings collapsed at free fall speed.

Photo: WTC Building Collapse Debunks Free Fall Speed


This is from you link as well.

The pod-plane idea has been used for over a year to discredit skepticism of the official story.

That message is something that I knew all along and have warned 9/11 conspiracy theorist that there were being duped about that so-called pod they claim, was a modification added to that aircraft. Fact of the matter is, 9/11 conspiracy theorist mistake aerodynamic fairings and MLG doors, which are standard on commercial airliners. Did 9/11 conspiracy theorist really think that United Airlines would have grounded that aircraft for the sole purpose of flying it into WTC 2?

Now, let's continue from your link and note that there were 9/11 conspiracy theorist who actually believed the following piece of disinformation.

That the South Tower plane had no windows is one of several ludicrous claims made by the In Plane Site video, and, like the pod-planes claim, is dismissed by the simplest analysis.

In other words, your link debunks claims from the 'Plane Site" video, the same video that has been used by 9/11 conspiracy theorist during their debates. Now, it's time to take a jab at your link where it says:

This absurd idea that NORAD had no radar coverage over much of the continental US is distilled from the 9/11 Commission Report.

Not absurd at all considering that ATC provides radar coverage over the continental United States, not NORAD.

Cont.

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Predictably, the article makes no mention of evidence that war games were being conducted on 9/11/01...

Why? War games, or should I say, drills and exercises, are normally conducted on a regular basis. Case in point:

PRE-9/11 PREPARATION AND DEVELOPMENT

Drill Date Scenario
1 NORAD Between 1991 and 2001 Foreign hijacked airliner crashing into famous US building
2 White House, Richard Clarke 1998 Terrorists load Lear Jet with explosive, attack Washington DC
3 NORAD 1999-2001 Hijacked aircraft hit many targets, including WTC, MASCAL
4 Able Danger: DIA, US-SOCOM, LIWA Dec. 1999-2001 Manipulate al Qaeda; data mining (patsy control)
5 Stratus Ivy: DIA Dec. 1999-2001 (?) Operate on patsies “out of the box” (patsy control)
6 Door Hop Galley: DIA (?) Dec. 1999-2001 (?) Still secret (patsy control?)
7 Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group (P2OG) unknown “Stimulating reactions” of terrorists (patsy control)
8 NORAD (NEADS) Exercises: UN HQ, NYC October 16, 2000 Terrorist crashes Federal Express plane into UN HQ NYC
9 NORAD (NEADS) Exercises: UN HQ NYC October 23, 2000 Terrorist crashes FedEx plane with WMD into UN HQ NYC
10 Pentagon MASCAL exercise Oct. 24-28, 2000 Commercial aircraft hits Pentagon, MASCAL
11 FAA drill December, 2000 Scenario: a chartered flight out of Ohio that had turned its transponder off
12 Positive Force ’01: NORAD plus a dozen agencies; worldwide April 17-26, 2001 COG; attacks on transportation; one scenario: terrorist group hijacking commercial airliner and flying it into Pentagon (Pentagon attack)
13 Unified Vision ’01: US JFCOM; US CENTCOM; US SOCOM: 40 agencies May 7-24, 2001 Invasion of Afghanistan and Pakistan (prepared Operation Enduring Freedom)
14 Red Ex (Recognition, Evaluation, and Decision-Making Exercise); NYC OEM; FDNY; NYPD; FEMA; FBI May 11, 2001 Plane crashes and building collapses in New York City (WTC attack, demolition)
15 Amalgam Virgo ’01: US-Canada multi-agency drill; NORAD; SEADS; Coast Guard, Army, Navy June 1-2, 2001 UAV drone launched from rogue freighter in Gulf of Mexico or cruise missile from barge in Atlantic Ocean; Joint Based Expeditionary Connectivity Center (JBECC) mobile radar command center tested. (Pentagon attack)
16 Mall Strike 2001, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania (near Shanksville); 600 local first responders and emergency managers June 16, 2001 Toxic chemical agent and the simulated release of radiation and radiological contamination; (indoctrination of first responders).
17 FAA Drill: FBI Miami field office, Miami-Dade County Police Department. Summer 2001 Varig airlines Boeing 767 hijacked over Florida
18 Ft. Belvoir, Davison Army Airfield helicopter base MASCAL June 29, 2001 Scenario based on plane hitting Pentagon (indoctrination of first responders).
19 US Department of Transportation Hijacking Exercise August 31, 2001 US Dept. of Transportation Crisis Management Center drilled hijacks; simulated cell phone calls.
20 NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 6, 2001 Tokyo to Anchorage flight hijacked by “Mum Hykro” to Vancouver and San Francisco
21 NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 6, 2001 Seoul to Anchorage flight hijacked by “Lin Po” to Seattle
22 NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 9, 2001 UK to NYC flight hijacked, blown up
23 NORAD SEADS NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 10, 2001 Ilyushin IL-62 from Cuba hijacked by asylum seekers, lands at Dobbins Air Force Base in Georgia
24 FBI training exercise in Monterey, California for FBI/CIA Anti-Terrorist Task Force Through 9/11 Diverts top FBI, CIA anti-terrorist and special operations agents and heavy equipment away from Boston, NYC, Washington DC
25 NORAD annual readiness drill, Cheyenne Mountain, CO (Vigilant Guardian) 9/11 Full ‘battle staff’ levels to test entire organization
26 Vigilant Guardian: NORAD, NEADS, US-Canada 9/11 Live-fly hijacking and air defense; hijack multiplication, diversion and confusion
27 NORAD/JCS Vigilant Warrior Through 9/11 Reported by Richard Clarke
28 Operation Southern Watch Through 9/11 Diverts 174th Fighter Wing, New York Air National Guard, to Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia, to impose no-fly zone over southern Iraq
29 Operation Northern Watch Through 9/11 Diverts 6 fighters from Langley AFB sent to Incirlik AFB, Turkey to impose no-fly zone over northern Iraq
30 Operation Northern Vigilance Through 9/11 Diverts fighters, 350 personnel to Alaska and northern Canada to counter a Russian bomber drill
31 Operation Northern Guardian, Keflavik AFB, Iceland Through 9/11 Diverts fighters from Langley Air Force Base (Virginia) deployed to Keflavik AFB, Iceland to counter a Russian bomber drill
32 Red Flag, Nellis AFB, Nevada: 100 pilots 9/11 Diverts most F-15s of 71st Fighter Squadron, Langley AFB, VA; DC ANG’s 121st Fighter Squadron of Andrews Air Force Base also depleted.
33 Andrews AFB local drill 9/11 Diverts 3 F-16s to North Carolina
34 National Reconnaissance Office drill, Chantilly, Virginia 9/11 Simulated plane crash into high-rise government building; satellite imaging (WTC attack)
35 Tripod II, New York City 9/11 Response to biochemical attack; run from backup command center at Pier 92, H

There were additional exercises as well. Your link has much to learn about the way the government conducts regular drills.

The RJ Lee report.

Observed, various metals mostly iron and lead were melted during the wtc event, producing spherical metallic particles due to surface tension.. Particles of materials that had been modified by exposure to high temperatures.

Iron does not melt until 2800* F which cannot be reached by diffused hydrocarbon fires. Still even higher temperatures were indicated by another discovery documented in RJ Lee's report.

The presence of lead oxide on the surface of mineral wool indicates the existence of extremely high temperatures during the collapse which caused metallic lead to volatilize , oxidize, and finally condense on the surface of the mineral wool.

The report also referred to temperatures at which lead would have undergone vaporization, for such vaporization to occur lead would need to have been heated to it's boiling point of 3180*F.

So since office fires and jet fuel cannot reach 3180*F than the question is what was responsible for those temperatures..??

I'm starting to like this RJ Lee report sky guy is so fond of, will keep looking, as for the post above, sky guy has picked what fits his agenda, the report in full does not support the OS, at least the way I read it..

a reply to: wildb

To continue debunking those lines. In the following photo, your link claims that the landing gear could not have been responsible for the C-ring punch out hole.

Photo: C-ring Hole

Now, if you take a closer look in the next photo, you will see a landing gear wheel and brake assembly.

Photo: MLG Wheel Assembly

Photo: Main Landing Gear Wheel Assembly

Photo: Tire Outside the C-ring Wall

Photos: B-757 Wheel

The report:

C-Ring Hole

“The hole was not made by an engine or the nose of Flight 77 pushing through the building’s interior - or a missile - but by the crashing jet’s landing gear, which was ejected beyond the bulk of the wreckage. […] As one of the heaviest and most dense parts of the plane, the landing gear flew farther than any other item in the wreckage and was responsible for puncturing the wall in Ring C.”

frustratingfraud.blogspot.com...

So once again, another prime example that debunks your links.

From your link.

Popular Mechanics' "Fact" tries to arouse horror in the reader at the thought of people in the lobbies being burned by flaming jet fuel, but the only "factual" claim here is that (a) the elevator shafts were damaged and (b) burning jet fuel "travelled" down them and caused damage to the lobbies and killed people. We already know that people died, close to 3000 of them, in an act of mass murder, with those who perpetrated this remaining unidentified (the perps were certainly not the 19 Arabs whom the FBI tried to pin the blame on).

That message debunks the claim of 9/11 conspiracy theorist that the FBI did not blame Osama bin Laden and let's not forget Osama bin Laden's admission that he was responsible for 9/11 and al-Qaeda's martyr videos of the 19 hijackers.

a reply to: wildb

The RJ Lee report.

Observed, various metals mostly iron and lead were melted during the wtc event, producing spherical metallic particles due to surface tension.. Particles of materials that had been modified by exposure to high temperatures.

Now, for the rest of the story.

Debunked: Iron Microspheres in 9/11 WTC Dust as Evidence for Thermite

The iron microspheres (as evidence for thermite) were debunked years ago, but they keep coming up. The bottom line is:

* Iron Microspheres form from condensed vaporized iron or from molten iron

* You can melt iron by igniting it with a Bic lighter, if the pieces of iron are thin enough.

* There are several other sources of iron microspheres

* Iron microspheres were expected in the WTC dust

www.metabunk.org...

In other words, 9/11 conspiracy theorist concocted another unfounded conspiracy theory.

Iron does not melt until 2800* F which cannot be reached by diffused hydrocarbon fires. Still even higher temperatures were indicated by another discovery documented in RJ Lee's report.

The presence of lead oxide on the surface of mineral wool indicates the existence of extremely high temperatures during the collapse which caused metallic lead to volatilize , oxidize, and finally condense on the surface of the mineral wool.

Now, for the rest of the story about the RJ Lee Group.

The RJ Group

The RJ Lee Group report considers samples taken several months after the collapses, and it is certain that torch-cutting of steel beams as part of the cleanup process contributed some, if not all, of the spherules seen in these samples.


No Thermite Found

The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn't find thermitic material. Other sampling of the pulverized dust by United States Geological Survey and RJ Lee did not report any evidence of thermite or explosives. It has been theorized the "thermite material" found was primer paint.

No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges and there are no recordings of a series of very loud explosions that would have been expected with controlled demolition. Furthermore, there is an alternative explanation for the "thermitic material" the sceptical scientists found in the dust - it is just a type of primer paint. It's calculated 1,200,000 tonnes of building materials were pulverised at the World Trade Center and most minerals are present in the dust (not necessarily in a large quantity).

More extensive sampling of the dust has not found any evidence of thermite or explosives, says a report from the US Geological Survey and another from RJ Lee.

www.metabunk.org...

911research.wtc7.net...

In other words, the report of the RJ Lee Group found no evidence of explosives or thermite at WTC ground zero.

That message debunks the claim of 9/11 conspiracy theorist that the FBI did not blame Osama bin Laden

Bin laden was never wanted for 911, until the lie of 2011, also notice my post about the RJ Lee report has not been acknowledge by you know who..

In other words, the report of the RJ Lee Group found no evidence of explosives or thermite at WTC ground zero.

at 3180* F I would say they did..

Now, for the rest of the story about the RJ Lee Group.

yes the part you left off...


The report also referred to temperatures at which lead would have undergone vaporization, for such vaporization to occur lead would need to have been heated to it's boiling point of 3180*F.

So since office fires and jet fuel cannot reach 3180*F than the question is what was responsible for those temperatures..??

I'm starting to like this RJ Lee report sky guy is so fond of, will keep looking, as for the post above, sky guy has picked what fits his agenda, the report in full does not support the OS, at least the way I read it..

a reply to: wildb

You posted yet another bogus video. Let's take a walk over to the website of the FBI.

From the Website of the FBI

Intelligence agencies quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by bin Laden’s terrorist organization, and in October 2001, his name was added to the U.S. Department of State’s Most Wanted Terrorists List.

www.fbi.gov...

So once again, it is proven that your video is bogus.