The Fox News 'War On Christmas' Panic Is Already Starting

a reply to: grandmakdw

Why abolish Christmas on "TV"?

That's not a public (owned by the People) space ... your suggestion seems more than a bit totalitarian to me.

a reply to: grandmakdw

We are actually in agreement for once. The nativity is NOT an accurate representation of Jesus' birth. Heck it's not even placed in the correct time of year...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I do, I'm just wondering why this is so offensive? I wouldn't care if it was a Muslim, or atheist demonstration. All cultures are part of the learning experience.

All this PC back and forth is getting on my nerves. Everyone is getting offended because they feel like they should, not because they actually are.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Christ was not born on December 25, that, in fact, was Sol Invictus, a deity popular with a certain Roman Emperor Constantine before he, er, converted to Christianity.

(*cough* more like converted Christianity to his needs *cough*)

All these solar deities have such "holy days" because of the fact that In much of the northern hemisphere, around December 25, the Sun appears to start to move back upward through the sky toward its solstice position.

Exactly, that is why Christians
should be the ones who are
engaging in the war on the perversion
that Christmas has become,
and let it go because it has become
a sacrilege and mockery of Christianity.

/shrug .... Talk to the folks at Fox News.

Interesting stance on this issue, Grandma. I have to say, I was a bit surprised.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I agree....for the most part.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Nobody has a problem with Christmas in this thread... It's about forcing Christian imagery in a school play that is a public school. Why are you twisting the argument around to something that it isn't?

This is why the whole "war on Christmas" is so damn stupid. Y'all invent your own war and pretend like the left is fighting it against you. But Separation of Church and State doesn't just magically end during the holidays.

Being forced to watch the state shut down high school plays seems far more nefarious than being forced to see a nativity scene at a school. Of course, the play is not forced, but voluntary.

originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: buster2010

What is being forced on you?

So you have to walk past a barn with a baby and some old dudes?

I'm not Christian but this hypersensitivity to everything is getting old.

It has no place in a public school. No religion is supposed to have government endorsement.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: mikell

Nobody has a problem with Christmas in this thread... It's about forcing Christian imagery in a school play that is a public school. Why are you twisting the argument around to something that it isn't?

This is why the whole "war on Christmas" is so damn stupid. Y'all invent your own war and pretend like the left is fighting it against you. But Separation of Church and State doesn't just magically end during the holidays, and the left likes Christmas just as much as the right does.

Why?

Isn't the left by celebrating Christmas
engaging in an activity that purportedly
celebrates a religion that has oppressed you,
has persecuted you, has committed
horrific crimes hundreds of year ago?

Why celebrate that?

Good gravy.

It's not a matter of anyone being "offended" or not. It's not a matter of "PC."

It's a matter of the US Constitution. EVERYONE has freedom of religion which implicitly includes freedom FROM religion.

Have the Christmas plays at Church. Leave the schools alone. Period.

Once again, there are as many or more Christians "on the left" as "on the right" ...

Let's stop pretending for a moment at least that all liberals/progressives/Democrats/et. al. are godless heathens, K?

Thx.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Christ was not born on December 25, that, in fact, was Sol Invictus, a deity popular with a certain Roman Emperor Constantine before he, er, converted to Christianity.

(*cough* more like converted Christianity to his needs *cough*)

All these solar deities have such "holy days" because of the fact that In much of the northern hemisphere, around December 25, the Sun appears to start to move back upward through the sky toward its solstice position.

Exactly, that is why Christians
should be the ones who are
engaging in the war on the perversion
that Christmas has become,
and let it go because it has become
a sacrilege and mockery of Christianity.

/shrug .... Talk to the folks at Fox News.

Interesting stance on this issue, Grandma. I have to say, I was a bit surprised.

Actually, I have been saying it annually since I first started on ATS.

The German opera interpretation of
Jesus Christ superstar opened my eyes
and touched my heart.

And trust me I actually knew people in
it, because my daughter sang there.
(I know, I'm a liar, but I'm not, she did)

They were actually mostly atheists and
even anti-theists and a great number
were gay.

But it was them who opened my eyes
to the perversion and metaphorical rape of Christ
that happens each Dec 25th and is
called Christmas.


So I have been saying it needs to be abolished
by Christians
for years.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: IAMTAT

I thought Socialists, Liberals and Progressives were all about giving people free stuff...They should be all for Christmas.

So during Christmas everything in the stores are free?

Just as free as Obamacare, Obamaphones, Unemployment, Welfare and Food stamps...Nobody is responsible for paying for all that, right?

No taxes pay for all that and take a guess who pays taxes. It's funny how people that are uninformed cry these programs are free.

I'm a progressive and I always say Merry Christmas. It's just a made up "attack" to rally the troops.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Understood.

I'm just curious though. You have a certain understanding of the integrity of Christmas as generally celebrated in the US.

Why do all the other Christians have to agree with you? Why would you want to take their holiday away from them?

I, a prime example of a godless heathen, want nothing of the sort; I just don't want the Constitution to be trampled.

This play is an after school activity and is performed by volunteers. No student is required to participate or attend the event. Nothing is being forced on the students.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Good gravy.

It's not a matter of anyone being "offended" or not. It's not a matter of "PC."

It's a matter of the US Constitution. EVERYONE has freedom of religion which implicitly includes freedom FROM religion.

Have the Christmas plays at Church. Leave the schools alone. Period.

Yep, and all cities should not have Christmas displays
of any kind in order to fully separate Church and state.

Even the White House as a public place should not
engage in the perversion that Christmas has become
by decorating.

a reply to: rockintitz

Yes I do, I'm just wondering why this is so offensive? I wouldn't care if it was a Muslim, or atheist demonstration. All cultures are part of the learning experience.

All this PC back and forth is getting on my nerves. Everyone is getting offended because they feel like they should, not because they actually are.

History shows that governments become theocratic once they show religious plays in their public schools...wait...history doesn't show that at all. It's just an irrational fear on the ACLU's part.

Right and there's absolutely no evidence that any group is in favor of making the US a theocratic govt is there? (Sarc)

originally posted by: misskat1
It is a "Christmas Show"? So, maybe they shouldnt have a "Christmas" show. So, should it be just limited to Santa and Raindeer type stuff? I mean it is a "Christmas" show. The whole Jesus birthday thing is the reason for the season, so I guess they should trim the tree and disallow parts of the "Christmas" story?

Because the Christmas story is BS. Jesus wasn't born in the dead of winter if anything he was born in the spring. The modern Christmas was dreamed up to replace Saturnalia.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
This play is an after school activity and is performed by volunteers. No student is required to participate or attend the event. Nothing is being forced on the students.

Is it held on the property of the People using the resources of the People?

If so, it's unconstitutional. Period.