The Fox News 'War On Christmas' Panic Is Already Starting

a reply to: rockintitz

Do you know what Separation of Church and State is? The Nativity scene is part of a LIVE play at a PUBLIC high school. That isn't Separation of Church and State no matter how much you want to whine about people being hypersensitive.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Aliensun

The Nativity is a CHRISTIAN tradition; NOT an American tradition.

Yes and it is WRONG also.
(again this is NOT sarcasm)

Christ was not born in a barn
he was born in a cave
that served as a barn.
Historical records show
that must be the case if
he were born in the time frame
and location the Bible says.

The Wise men arrived
when he was over a year old.
NOT at a barn or even
at the cave where he was born.
But at the house that Joseph
acquired or lived in after
Jesus was born.

Even the Nativity Scene
has been twisted to fit
some fairy tale image;
and does not go along
with the reality of what
we Christians believe is
the truth.

How many absolutely
wrong nativity scenes
do you see in the stores,
lots and lots, the vast
majority are wrong.

So I'm fine with doing away
with Nativity Scenes in public.
Why hurt the feelings of non-Christians
with a scene that twists and distorts
what the Bible says in truth?

They should not have a live nativity scene at the school. Unless they are willing to represent all religions in the Christmas show, the nativity has no place.

I say that not because I hate Christmas or Christians, but because the schools should remain secular and not give preference to one religion or another.

Sadly, such a simple concept will be missed by many. They will whine and cry and say we are trying to wage war or Christmas...again....just like last year.....and the year before.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: IAMTAT

I thought Socialists, Liberals and Progressives were all about giving people free stuff...They should be all for Christmas.

So during Christmas everything in the stores are free?

Just as free as Obamacare, Obamaphones, Unemployment, Welfare and Food stamps...Nobody is responsible for paying for all that, right?

I thought Socialists, Liberals and Progressives were all about giving people free stuff...They should be all for Christmas.
Happy Holidays.


They are all about getting free stuff not them personally giving stuff

originally posted by: mikell
I thought Socialists, Liberals and Progressives were all about giving people free stuff...They should be all for Christmas.
Happy Holidays.

They are all about getting free stuff not them personally giving stuff



No.no.
They are only about free stuff when they took it from somebody else...

originally posted by: mikell
They are all about getting free stuff not them personally giving stuff

I'd qualify under your label of "Socialists, Liberals and Progressives" (Oh my!)
Yet, I work, I pay taxes, and I give stuff to charity.
So I guess that makes you wrong.

a reply to: mikell

LOL, my neighbor (prankster) got me an Obama obama foam for Christmas last year!

Aside from the fact that the snarky comments here against one political faction are utter lies, that has nothing to do, at all with the supposed attack on Christmas.

So, against religious freedom and in favor of blatant lying. Yep, must be Christians*.

*If you are a Christian who happens to be IN FAVOR of true religious freedom and in favor of telling the truth, I'm not referring to you. I am, however, generally referring to the actions of Christians as observed.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

They are trying to deflect from the original premise of the thread. They can't actually defend their positions so they bring up socialism, etc.

I've seen better discussions from high school debate clubs than I see here.

Sad.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The "War on Christmas" = "If I am not permitted to do anything I want, anywhere I want, anytime I want, you are waging WAR against me!"

I mean, it's not like these people can't have 16 nativity scenes around their home, private schools and church! No one is saying a THING about that. But if they are not permitted to blatantly mix church and state in the public sphere, and have THEIR perspective recognized and acknowledged as "The TRUTH, then "It's WAR"!!!

I don't celebrate Christmas beyond dressing up my avatar and maybe having a special meal, but everyone celebrates in their own way, if at all. Why isn't that OK? That's just not good enough for some. They think they "own" Christmas, just like the word "marriage".

Why do they hate freedom?

a reply to: grandmakdw

From what I understand, he was born on the first floor of a two story building. The reason that they say it was a barn is because the first floor is traditionally where families would keep their livestock during the night. But it is safer to assume that the animals present during the birth were likely just family pets and maybe a donkey.

Plus all the events depicted in the Nativity scene happened over many days, not just one night.

It is a "Christmas Show"? So, maybe they shouldnt have a "Christmas" show. So, should it be just limited to Santa and Raindeer type stuff? I mean it is a "Christmas" show. The whole Jesus birthday thing is the reason for the season, so I guess they should trim the tree and disallow parts of the "Christmas" story?

originally posted by: introvert
They should not have a live nativity scene at the school. Unless they are willing to represent all religions in the Christmas show, the nativity has no place.

I say that not because I hate Christmas or Christians, but because the schools should remain secular and not give preference to one religion or another.

Sadly, such a simple concept will be missed by many. They will whine and cry and say we are trying to wage war or Christmas...again....just like last year.....and the year before.

Why represent all religions at all?
It is not their holiday, Holy Day.

It is not the day of any other religion
that has been perverted and twisted
into a tacky ugly parody of itself.

That is absolutely silly.
Christmas is not a day to celebrate
Christians, or the Christian religion,
it was supposed to be a day celebrating
the birth of Christ.

And it has been so twisted and deformed
as to become the most materialistic,
capitalistic day on earth. Far from
what it once was.

So I say, please
take the Christ out of Christmas,
call it something else or abolish it
as the Holy Day of those who persecute
others if you want.

I implore Christians to really think
about changing the date to a more
realistic one and not allowing it to
become property of those who
are out to bankrupt the poor.

Christ himself, if present physically
on earth, would vomit at what has
become of the day and tell people
to stop the abomination of his name; that

this day is not about religion,
it is no longer about Christ,
it is about greed, drunkenness, excess,
and over-consumption of everything;
the antithesis of what he preached
and was and is.

a reply to: mikell

Nobody has a problem with Christmas in this thread... It's about forcing Christian imagery in a school play that is a public school. Why are you twisting the argument around to something that it isn't?

This is why the whole "war on Christmas" is so damn stupid. Y'all invent your own war and pretend like the left is fighting it against you. But Separation of Church and State doesn't just magically end during the holidays, and the left likes Christmas just as much as the right does.

Santa is, technically, a Christian saint.

originally posted by: misskat1
It is a "Christmas Show"? So, maybe they shouldnt have a "Christmas" show. So, should it be just limited to Santa and Raindeer type stuff? I mean it is a "Christmas" show. The whole Jesus birthday thing is the reason for the season, so I guess they should trim the tree and disallow parts of the "Christmas" story?

Actually that is false as well. There are MANY different cultures that celebrate some form of holiday during this time of the year. Saying that the holiday is primarily for Jesus is Christian history revision. In fact, the reason Christmas exists is likely because the Romans combined many different winter holiday traditions into one tradition then stamped "JESUS" on top of it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: grandmakdw

From what I understand, he was born on the first floor of a two story building. The reason that they say it was a barn is because the first floor is traditionally where families would keep their livestock during the night. But it is safer to assume that the animals present during the birth were likely just family pets and maybe a donkey.

Plus all the events depicted in the Nativity scene happened over many days, not just one night.

Scholars disagree on that one.
But one thing they agreed on, Christ was not
born in the type of barn seen in Nativity displays.

The Nativity scenes are totally inaccurate,
the actual events took place over a year or more.
Nativity scenes with more than Joseph and Mary
are a fairy tale.

And I am a Christian,
every year it bothers me when
all the events are placed together
and all happen in a "barn"

A twisting of the truth as I a Christian see it.

So I have no trouble abolishing all Nativity Scenes
from all public venues
entirely,
including stores,
because they are nothing but an inaccurate
fairy tale that distorts that which I hold sacred.

My eyes were opened to the sacrilege that
Christmas has become when I saw a German
opera version of Jesus Christ Superstar.
The scene of the money changers, they
stylistically changed into a Christmas scene.
And it opened my eyes, they were right.
that is what the day has been perverted into.

So, I support you on this one.
Abolish Christmas in all public places,
even stores and ads on TV
so we don't hurt the feelings of those
who feel oppressed and persecuted
by Christians.
And we stop making a mockery of
and a perversion of the birth of Christ.

Christ was not born on December 25, that, in fact, was Sol Invictus, a deity popular with a certain Roman Emperor Constantine before he, er, converted to Christianity.

(*cough* more like converted Christianity to his needs *cough*)

All these solar deities have such "holy days" because of the fact that In much of the northern hemisphere, around December 25, the Sun appears to start to move back upward through the sky toward its solstice position.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Christ was not born on December 25, that, in fact, was Sol Invictus, a deity popular with a certain Roman Emperor Constantine before he, er, converted to Christianity.

(*cough* more like converted Christianity to his needs *cough*)

All these solar deities have such "holy days" because of the fact that In much of the northern hemisphere, around December 25, the Sun appears to start to move back upward through the sky toward its solstice position.

Exactly, that is why Christians
should be the ones who are
engaging in the war on the perversion
that Christmas has become,
and let it go because it has become
a sacrilege and mockery of Christianity.