John Kasich Tells Critics Of Medicaid Expansion To Read The Bible

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


It does? I personally consider Medicaid something that helps people, not something that kills or maims them.

me too. see you're under the impression that the two sides are diametrically opposed but it just aint so. i'm liberal on some things, conservative on others. most people are like that. what you are addressing is a tiny part of a huge population, and does a disservice to your fellow humans.

my first post that describes what i think is going on in the minds of conservatives and independents, is evidence that they are not deliberately trying to be uncharitable but rather have been raised to believe that voting to rob or kill others is not a good thing.

a reply to: harvestdog

Look, this thread is me, an outsider, telling you, a right leaning Christian, what it looks like to outsiders when you make the political arguments against socialism while then trying to invoke the bible for other issues or even just claiming to be a god fearing Christian. To me, it looks like blatant hypocrisy. Jesus tells us to care for the needy, therefore it should go without saying that people should be willing to give up parts of their paychecks to the government provided that money goes to the less fortunate. It's really the most effective way of making sure that all the right people are covered adequately.

NPO's are great and all, but too often their aid is distributed unevenly. I certainly don't have a problem with them though, but they should be aid on TOP of the aid our government is capable of giving out provided we cede over a small portion of our paychecks every two weeks.

I'm all to aware of the many rationalizations that Christians make attacking Socialism, but again, to an outsider, Jesus is CLEARLY a Socialist. Or he would agree with Socialist policies before agreeing with Capitalist ones. You bring up Jesus overturning the money changers in the temple. That's because usury is supposed to be against religious law. Usury USED to be viewed as ANY interest on a loan (though it is defined differently now). However, the way our economy is setup, interest pretty much is the thing that it is built on.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

and mannnnnnnnnnnny christians are willing and have been historically willing, but our monies have been misused.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Compromise is NOT always a good thing.

wait not done

a reply to: undo

Actually I'm not under that impression at all. My politics have flip-flopped several times. Being intellectually honest about things causes this. The people I was trying to address though are the hard liners who automatically adopt the exact opposite belief of whatever position the left decides to take. That isn't honest politics. That is just being decisive just to be decisive.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Compromise is NOT always a good thing.

Examples?

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Again, I just wrote this thread to point out the hypocrisy of the right's rhetoric.

okay, if i love, have compassion, and concern for your well being, why would i want to encourage anyone to steal from you? i would rather want to encourage you to give to others out of kindness, not because someone was bribed into voting away your labor value.

Taxes aren't theft. They're rent.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'd clarify one point.

My first reaction is I'd agree that Jesus was clearly a socialist....then sanity returned...(thank you , Lord....)

Clearly Jesus was socially aware. He was NOT, what is currently known as a Socialist. He enforced his views and policies on no one. He demanded nothing of anyone. His views were lead by example, not enforcement. Not a proponent of bigger and more pervasive government in the slightest.

There has been a huge perversion of social awareness into what is now generally accepted as "Socialism".

To answer the rebut in advance, NO, he would not support today's socialism. He would not support ANY 'ism'.

Closer to a Ghandi life-style, methinks.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Again, I just wrote this thread to point out the hypocrisy of the right's rhetoric.

okay, if i love, have compassion, and concern for your well being, why would i want to encourage anyone to steal from you? i would rather want to encourage you to give to others out of kindness, not because someone was bribed into voting away your labor value.

Taxes aren't theft. They're rent.

did you watch the two videos i posted above? are those tax dollars promoting the well being and health of the poor? nope. not even close. not even distantly close. they're wasting tax dollars like mad, then blaming tax payers for not wanting to give more . that's a racket.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Really? You can't think of any yourself?

Was there a 'compromise' with the British on forming an independent nation?

Is there a 'compromise' on allowing an unrestricted passage of TPP?

It's called, on a personal level, integrity. Not much practiced these days, but the concept isn't dead yet....

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Again, I just wrote this thread to point out the hypocrisy of the right's rhetoric.

okay, if i love, have compassion, and concern for your well being, why would i want to encourage anyone to steal from you? i would rather want to encourage you to give to others out of kindness, not because someone was bribed into voting away your labor value.

Taxes aren't theft. They're rent.

Really? Then whose the 'landlord'?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I already point out the lessened bureaucracy.

There's less need for money on a state level.

The feds, being so altruistic....cough, cough, can contribute to that state mandated program....

Last, but not least, when gov't in taking care of the less fortunate, passes a law that 70% disagree with, then that's enforcement.

Any other label is pure spin....

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
NPO's are great and all, but too often their aid is distributed unevenly. I certainly don't have a problem with them though, but they should be aid on TOP of the aid our government is capable of giving out provided we cede over a small portion of our paychecks every two weeks.

Charities don't work. People are overwhelmingly more likely to donate to people that they see as being like them. A black Muslim is unlikely to get help from a white Christian. This is why the most popular charities are based on religion, because it unifies people.

Government needs to step in and distribute aid because if you allow people to do it on their own, aside from the fact that you don't get as much you end up with entire groups who never receive help.

a reply to: Aazadan

that's bs. a muslim is more likely to get help in the usa because we, the people, don't want to kill muslim babies, men and women but the globalists do. it's part of their depopulation agenda. man have you not been paying attention to flippin' anything?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

To me, it looks like blatant hypocrisy. Jesus tells us to care for the needy, therefore it should go without saying that people should be willing to give up parts of their paychecks to the government provided that money goes to the less fortunate. It's really the most effective way of making sure that all the right people are covered adequately.

What if I want to spend that dough on say Doctors Without Borders. They use 87% of their funds to help the medical needy. Can the Federal Government say the same?
Does it really go without saying that it is "the most effective way of making sure the right people are covered adequately"?

NPO's are great and all, but too often their aid is distributed unevenly. I certainly don't have a problem with them though, but they should be aid on TOP of the aid our government is capable of giving out provided we cede over a small portion of our paychecks every two weeks.

The free market with free flowing information will weed out the ineffective NPOs. I wish I were you if you really pay such a small portion of your paycheck. I know when every damn hour of my job could be my death or injury, I do not want someone skimming hours off of it. I'd rather use my HARD EARNED money the way I SEE FIT. I'm all for helping the needy, not necessarily the Government Bureaucracy.

I'm all to aware of the many rationalizations that Christians make attacking Socialism, but again, to an outsider, Jesus is CLEARLY a Socialist. Or he would agree with Socialist policies before agreeing with Capitalist ones.

Jesus may have been a "social socialist" if you will. He was not about using Government for socialist ideals. His kingdom is not of this world. Man corrupts all governments instilled by God. How you know he would agree with Socialist policies vs. Capitalist policies in the Government is beyond me. You know what the Bible says about a puff-up chest.

That's because usury is supposed to be against religious law. Usury USED to be viewed as ANY interest on a loan (though it is defined differently now). However, the way our economy is setup, interest pretty much is the thing that it is built on.

I must ask you, as an Ex-Catholic, how much did you read the bible? You understand "usury" was allowed in Ancient Israel? It is not a sin all the time. Ancient Israel could get Interest on Loans from Gentiles. The Usury Sin was when the Temple Money Changers tried to make the Poor Poorer with a Usury Tax. There was only 1 money acceptable and the Money Changers (Sanhedrin) had hedged their bets. Again this is out of the scope of this Political Thread.

BTW: "our Economy is Built on Interest". Not wise to over-extend your credit. Christians and the Right, that I know, don't praise the MIC. We want to CUT SPENDING NOW.