John Kasich Tells Critics Of Medicaid Expansion To Read The Bible

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yep, I'm all for that. I don't want people to suffer without healthcare.
But to be honest I think the whole insurance thing is the wrong way to give everyone medical care.
Why don't these politicians work on ways to make healthcare affordable?
Medicare has built more hospitals than we can imagine. It's a money gravy train. When money is thrown at a problem somebody will figure out how to spend the money. When the government got into student loans, colleges just kept raising tuition. Hospitals did the same thing. It's a never ending cycle.

I have a niece with a kid on Medicaid. When the kid gets a sniffle she goes to the emergency room. No cost to her. She went to the most expensive place she could.
When my kid needs to see a doctor, I make an appointment. Give them a co-pay, then the pharmacy gets another co-pay.
I'm out $40 to $50 plus the cost of my insurance every week.
That's the type of thing that bugs me.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

WASHINGTON -- Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) has a suggestion for those who criticize his decision to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act: Read the Bible.

I have a suggestion for Mr. Kasich. Leave your religion in your personal life. It has no place in government, or fulfilling your constitutional duties to the people.

Personally, I'm for keeping all the money and goods we send overseas every year, and raising the standard of living for the American people. Then, and only then, will it be time to give handouts to others, that squander what we dole out to them anyway.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. S&F

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: butcherguy

I'm not a Christian, I'm not held religiously to donate to people. Though, I have no problem with Medicaid either. These standards that I'm talking about are self-imposed Christian ones defined in the Bible. Don't get angry at me if I point out hypocrisy.

What's wrong with helping people less fortunate than yourself with Medicaid?

It doesn't matter if you aren't Christian.
You are still using a tired old religious instruction to tell me how to live my life.
Just because you say you are not Christian doesn't change anything. You are trying to force your beliefs on others.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I agree, citing the bible as a reason to do something is rather dumb, but hey it's what the Conservatives want. So I'm going to jump on it when their rhetoric turns around and bites them in the ass.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Then try stronger coffee.

The split is well documented. RHINOS/Republican establishment vs conservative/Tea Party supporters.

Kaisch is the hypocrite. The bible also say 'I am not my brother's keeper'. One can find a quotation in the bible that fits one's agenda with ease. Christianity, society in general, is more than capable of addressing health care on a state by state basis.

For you or Kaisch to suggest gov't is 'bible orientated', motivated by compassion is amusing. They quote the appropriate passage that fits the current agenda then discard it faster than used toilet paper.

Conservatives consider the Republican Establishment as even worse than the left wing. At left the left is open regarding their agenda.....

a reply to: Bluntone22

The existence of the health care insurance industry is what primarily drives up prices right now. Now naturally, government spending is also contributing to it, but there is a rather annoying scheme that the insurance industries do with Hospitals that really #s over the people without insurance. Insurance companies stay in business by negotiating with the Hospitals to reduce the costs of your procedures. Because of this Hospitals started overcharging for everything so that THEY can stay in business too while reducing costs from the insurance companies. This ends up screwing over the uninsured because they don't HAVE that negotiating power to have the costs reduced to the actual price. They have to end up paying the full amount. It's why so many uninsured hospital visits end up getting charged off unpaid.

originally posted by: Klassified
Personally, I'm for keeping all the money and goods we send overseas every year, and raising the standard of living for the American people. Then, and only then, will it be time to give handouts to others, that squander what we dole out to them anyway.

Yea, I agree. I don't necessarily want to end ALL foreign aide, but much of it DOES need to be curtailed to fix our mounting domestic problems. Once that is done, THEN we can re-expand foreign aide to where it was previously.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: butcherguy

I'm not a Christian, I'm not held religiously to donate to people. Though, I have no problem with Medicaid either. These standards that I'm talking about are self-imposed Christian ones defined in the Bible. Don't get angry at me if I point out hypocrisy.

What's wrong with helping people less fortunate than yourself with Medicaid?

It doesn't matter if you aren't Christian.
You are still using a tired old religious instruction to tell me how to live my life.
Just because you say you are not Christian doesn't change anything. You are trying to force your beliefs on others.

No, I'm not. Kaisch said this, not me. I'm also not planning on voting for that yahoo either. I'm just making a discussion about the hypocrisy that he pointed out.

krazy

i can dissect this for you:

taking other people's money at gun point in the form of taxes, is the equivalent of rendering unto caesar what is casear's. but this was back when caesar had final say on everything. it was a tyranny.
here's the problem with that, for the people to agree with that by vote, when it's not a tyranny, knowing full well that taking people's money under threat of imprisonment or worse, is actually armed robbery and theft and would be violating the 'thou shalt not steal' idea. if i vote to steal other people's money from them by force of government, i'm enabling the theft of other peoples money, even if i don't personally mind paying the taxes to help others.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: butcherguy

I'm not a Christian, I'm not held religiously to donate to people. Though, I have no problem with Medicaid either. These standards that I'm talking about are self-imposed Christian ones defined in the Bible. Don't get angry at me if I point out hypocrisy.

What's wrong with helping people less fortunate than yourself with Medicaid?

It doesn't matter if you aren't Christian.
You are still using a tired old religious instruction to tell me how to live my life.
Just because you say you are not Christian doesn't change anything. You are trying to force your beliefs on others.

No, I'm not. Kaisch said this, not me. I'm also not planning on voting for that yahoo either. I'm just making a discussion about the hypocrisy that he pointed out.

Sure you are:

I certainly don't like the "war on poverty" any more than you do, but this isn't about bringing people out of poverty. It's about helping them have adequate medical care despite not being able to afford it.

The government isn't deciding whats good for you here. It's deciding what's good for the less fortunate. It's not all about you buddy.

What's wrong with helping people less fortunate than yourself with Medicaid?

And your reply to NW Trucker:

Translation: "My finances are more important than helping the needy".

You are telling others what they should do with their money, according to what your feelings are about it.
If you want to be your brother's keeper put your money where your mouth is, not everyone else's money.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Ok, let me stop you RIGHT there. I don't agree with Kaisch's reasoning for expanding Medicaid. I don't have a problem with expanding Medicaid, but doing it for religious reasons is the wrong way to do it. Though if that's the personal reason YOU want to expand it, then by all means do so.

Like I just told butcherguy, I'm not voting for Kaisch, so his opinions mean little to me. I just wanted to point out this hypocrisy that I see on display.

Conservatives consider the Republican Establishment as even worse than the left wing. At left the left is open regarding their agenda.....

Yea, god forbid Republicans actually try to compromise with the left. Do you honestly think it is a good thing that the ideal Conservative in this country is one that automatically takes the opposite position of the left on EVERY issue regardless of facts then plants their foot down, attempting EVERY method (both above and below the belt) in order to get his way with no compromise whatsoever? Because THAT isn't what our country was founded to do.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't agree with Kaisch's reasoning for expanding Medicaid. I don't have a problem with expanding Medicaid, but doing it for religious reasons is the wrong way to do it.

Both of you want to do the same thing....
But you say your end is justified because you are not religious, even though you both want the same result?

originally posted by: butcherguy
You are telling others what they should do with their money, according to what your feelings are about it.
If you want to be your brother's keeper put your money where your mouth is, not everyone else's money.

Sorry, sue me for supporting Medicaid. Though I support it for moral reasons that are 100% not related to religion. Again, I just wrote this thread to point out the hypocrisy of the right's rhetoric. Don't confuse my support for Medicaid as support for Kaisch's words though.

a reply to: butcherguy

Reasoning is up to the individual. Medicaid is a good idea. It works. It would help more people if it were expanded. Whatever reasoning you use to come to this conclusion is up to you, but trying to argue against Medicaid is rather inhumane.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

trying to argue against Medicaid is rather inhumane.

SO?
You aren't religious, what the hell do you care about what I do if I am not actively hurting anyone?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Reasoning is up to the individual. Medicaid is a good idea. It works.

Then maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and give ALL of your earnings to that program and live in a poorhouse, since it is such a good idea.... in your opinion.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Again, I just wrote this thread to point out the hypocrisy of the right's rhetoric.

okay, if i love, have compassion, and concern for your well being, why would i want to encourage anyone to steal from you? i would rather want to encourage you to give to others out of kindness, not because someone was bribed into voting away your labor value.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Now Krazy, you can't do them like that.

The American right wing rejects "Social justice", the "Social Gospel", and "Christian Socialism". Those are the ideologies that implement the Gospels & teachings of the Prophet Jesus as political initiatives and actual policies. The left wing governments in Latin America are huge proponents of these, but America's right wing was always against them.

Or as I say it, for many of them, their hatred is stronger than their love for other Christians. Think about it like this: the vast majority of Hispanic people are also Christians. But that doesn't stop the right wing from demonizing them, even though the Bible has a lot of verses about helping foreigners/sojourners. I stopped giving to the Salvation Army because they started checking for immigration status. My view is that "charity" should be above politics & simply should help those in need, starting with the people who need it the most. If they weren't checking for sex offenders or people on the Most Wanted lists, then they shouldn't check for immigration status either.

Most African Americans are also Christians. But that never stopped the right wing from segregating and demonizing black people either. Their distrust of foreigners & "others" is stronger than their love of their fellow Christians. It'll make a lot more sense if you look at it that way.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Why don't these politicians work on ways to make healthcare affordable?

Because insurance companies have one of the largest numbers of lobbyist on capital hill.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

moral reasons that are 100% not related to religion.

Not 100%... sounds like there is a little religious background in there.
Is it possible that you were raised in an area that may have had churches? Maybe you were taken to church as a child? Saw an episode of 'Davey and Goliath' as a child?

Maybe, it doesn't matter anyway. You are going by your morality, cited in your quote. Not everyone's morals are the same. Maybe you need to worry about your own.... it is your religion as it were.