John Kasich Tells Critics Of Medicaid Expansion To Read The Bible

Kasich is absolutely right!

The Bible is filled with statements saying God wants the poor taken care of

Below is only some...

I posted this a few times and usually it meets silence but ends the debate

The conservatives have nothing to stand on but selfishness, greed, and ignorance.

They are NOT following any religion when all they talk about is saving the rich taxes and the hell with the poor.

Kasich is for once as a Republican being a human being and Good Christian following the best of the guidance within that religion


In this modern world of technology and massive wealth there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for people starving and living in poverty

And the Governments and people of power and wealht that sit by and do nothing as these versus imply ARE DAMMED!

Proverbs 29:7 “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”
Deuteronomy 15:10 “Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.”
Psalm 41:1 “Blessed is he who has regard for the weak; the LORD delivers him in times of trouble.”
Proverbs 19:17 “He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done.”
Proverbs 22:9 “A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor.”
Isaiah 58:10 "And if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday."
Jeremiah 7:5-7 "If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your forefathers for ever and ever."
Matthew 19:20 “‘All these I have kept,’ the young man said. ‘What do I still lack?’ Jesus answered, ‘If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.’"
Luke 14:12-14 "Then Jesus said to his host, ‘When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.’"
Luke 12:33-34 "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Proverbs 14:31 “He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.”
Isaiah 10:1-3 " Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches
Jeremiah 5:28 “‘Their evil deeds have no limit; they do not plead the case of the fatherless to win it, they do not defend the rights of the poor. ‘Should I not punish them for this?’ declares the LORD. ‘Should I not avenge myself on such a nation as this
Amos 5:12 “For I know how many are your offenses and how great your sins. You oppress the righteous and take bribes and you deprive the poor of justice in the courts
Luke 6:24 " But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort."
Proverbs 14:31 “He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.”
Proverbs 19:17 “He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done.”
1 John 3:17 But if someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need, and won't help him--how can God's love be within him
John 3:18 Little children, let us stop just saying we love people; let us really love them, and show it by our actions.
1 Sam. 2:8 He lifts the poor from the dust-- Yes, from a pile of ashes-- And treats them as princes sitting in the seats of honor. For all the earth is the Lord's And he has set the world in order.
Prov. 19:17 When you help the poor you are lending to the Lord--and he pays wonderful interest on your loan!
Prov. 14:31 Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.
James 1:27 The Christian who is pure and without fault, from God the Father's point of view, is the one who takes care of orphans and widows, and who remains true to the Lord--not soiled and dirtied by his contacts with the world.
Psa. 82:3 Give fair judgment to the poor man, the afflicted, the fatherless, the destitute.
Psa 82:4 Rescue the poor and helpless from the grasp of evil men.
Prov. 28:27 If you give to the poor, your needs will be supplied! But a curse upon those who close their eyes to poverty.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
NPO's are great and all, but too often their aid is distributed unevenly. I certainly don't have a problem with them though, but they should be aid on TOP of the aid our government is capable of giving out provided we cede over a small portion of our paychecks every two weeks.

Charities don't work. People are overwhelmingly more likely to donate to people that they see as being like them. A black Muslim is unlikely to get help from a white Christian. This is why the most popular charities are based on religion, because it unifies people.

Government needs to step in and distribute aid because if you allow people to do it on their own, aside from the fact that you don't get as much you end up with entire groups who never receive help.

Exactly! This was my point. NPO aid isn't distributed evenly. Even to an NPO with the best of intentions, their aid will get spread too thin to amount to anything if they were completely honest about distribution.

originally posted by: harvestdog
What if I want to spend that dough on say Doctors Without Borders. They use 87% of their funds to help the medical needy. Can the Federal Government say the same?
Does it really go without saying that it is "the most effective way of making sure the right people are covered adequately"?

Nobody says you can't donate your money on top of the money you pay taxes with.

The free market with free flowing information will weed out the ineffective NPOs. I wish I were you if you really pay such a small portion of your paycheck. I know when every damn hour of my job could be my death or injury, I do not want someone skimming hours off of it. I'd rather use my HARD EARNED money the way I SEE FIT. I'm all for helping the needy, not necessarily the Government Bureaucracy.

Yeah, you and everyone else. That is why taxes are mandatory. If taxes were voluntary, few to no one would pay them.

Jesus may have been a "social socialist" if you will. He was not about using Government for socialist ideals. His kingdom is not of this world. Man corrupts all governments instilled by God. How you know he would agree with Socialist policies vs. Capitalist policies in the Government is beyond me. You know what the Bible says about a puff-up chest.

Of course Jesus wasn't a socialist back then. Socialism as a political ideology didn't exist then; however his beliefs and sayings align more closely to Socialist ideology than they do Capitalist ideology. Everything the bible says about being rich is negative in nature, and capitalism is all about getting rich. (please don't take this as evidence that I'm not a capitalist... I shouldn't have to say this, but all too often people start assuming things about my ideologies just because I say something in a thread)

BTW: "our Economy is Built on Interest". Not wise to over-extend your credit. Christians and the Right, that I know, don't praise the MIC. We want to CUT SPENDING NOW.

The voting block that favors the MIC IS the right. That is the political aisle that most of the warhawks come from. Just because your right leaning friends don't agree with it doesn't mean that it isn't a Republican led thing.

a reply to: Willtell

give generously to the poor. not to the government. the government is not poor. lol give to caesar yeah, cause caesar will kill ya, throw you in prison or some variation thereof. it's just wisdom that if your government will put you on the rack for not giving them your labor, that you give them your labor. common sense in fact. doesn't mean the government should be doing that, however.

originally posted by: undo

typical of what? here we go again.

Typical of how so many establishment conservative christians go about applying their Religious Freedom and lessons of the bible they claim to guide their life.

Ask any common person or moderate christian and they'll tell you about how their religion talks about helping the poor and loving your enemy, etc. But ask an activist christian or a staunch conservative christian the same question and they'll pick and choose scripture and use interpretive logic to say the opposite.

Depending on who you're talking to Jesus was either a peaceful, loving, socialist here to spread a message of love and forgiveness or he's a War Loving, Capitalist here to make sure the rich are rewarded for their selfishness and punish the poor and helpless in the name of the most high king. Strange how such two different messages can be had from the same book of moral law.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

i remember back when i was pregnant with my first son, my husband and i went to a local fast food store. the owner was a nice muslim guy. he put his hand on my pregnant belly and blessed my child. i thought it was such a kind gesture, that in return i looked for something on his person that i could touch. the first thing my eyes landed on was a little golden book hanging from a chain around his neck. so i touched it and said "what is this pretty little thing." he freaked out and started yelling at me. it was his koran and as a female, non muslim i was not supposed to touch it. well at least i used my right hand. it scared me so bad, i didn't go back there again, but if he was down and out and needed help, and i had it to give, i would still help him. there's a difference between disagreement and lack of compassion.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: butcherguy

I'm not a Christian, I'm not held religiously to donate to people. Though, I have no problem with Medicaid either. These standards that I'm talking about are self-imposed Christian ones defined in the Bible. Don't get angry at me if I point out hypocrisy.

What's wrong with helping people less fortunate than yourself with Medicaid?

Yeah, i forgot how needy all those politixians in congress are. We should just give everytjing we have.

I dont think when Jesus said to care for the less fortunate, he meant by forcing others to pay for it at the point of a gun.

Mandatory charity isnt.

Double post

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Krazysh0t

We shouldn't need a book to tell us to treat the poor better. The fact that many religious and non-religious people believe that the poor are to blame for poverty is disgusting.

Nearly every major religion contains scriptures about helping the mentally and physically less fortunate.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Krazysh0t

We shouldn't need a book to tell us to treat the poor better. The fact that many religious and non-religious people believe that the poor are to blame for poverty is disgusting.

Nearly every major religion contains scriptures about helping the mentally and physically less fortunate.

and some poor are only mentally and physically less fortunate because they are being deliberately held back/held down, by....you guessed it, government. the government wastes more tax money every year on totally ludicrous stuff than the combined incomes of a few hundred millionaires. you could practically buy and refurbish every house in detroit, repave the roads and provide maid service, for the amount they waste on even one of their stupid programs.

a reply to: Willtell

the wealthy are damned??....that's what the wealthy told the poor to make them feel better, and hope the prospect of burning in hell for the wealthy, would keep the poor from robbing them and possibly killing them. that was the biggest reason religious text was written the way it was back then, to keep the people mentally sedated, and frightened of god's wrath.....the wealthy had to die first to go to hell, convenient ....and the poor had to die first to go to heaven, also convenient.....one big con job now ingrained into billions of people.....well done.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Willtell

the wealthy are damned??....that's what the wealthy told the poor to make them feel better, and hope the prospect of burning in hell for the wealthy, would keep the poor from robbing them and possibly killing them. that was the biggest reason religious text was written the way it was back then, to keep the people mentally sedated, and frightened of god's wrath.....the wealthy had to die first to go to hell, convenient ....and the poor had to die first to go to heaven, also convenient.....one big con job now ingrained into billions of people.....well done.

How will that happen if you allow more gun control? How can the poor revolt if they are disarmed?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's refreshing to hear a Republican Christian actually invoke the teachings of hope and charity rather than trying to use religion to promote discrimination and hate.

Go John Kasich!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's refreshing to hear a Republican Christian actually invoke the teachings of hope and charity rather than trying to use religion to promote discrimination and hate.

Go John Kasich!

read the thread now.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's refreshing to hear a Republican Christian actually invoke the teachings of hope and charity rather than trying to use religion to promote discrimination and hate.

Go John Kasich!

read the thread now.

The bigger question being, would it make those praising his Christian beliefs not only vote for him but stop bashing ALL Christians?

Going way back here, but remember when the pope visited and it was the Left who praised him?

This is Comedy Gold!!!

Christmas is only a few months away, and as usual I am looking forward to those who call parents BAD for telling their young children Santa is real!

a reply to: seeker1963

when i get confused by all the hyperbole, i just go play everquest project 1999 and try to forget it, otherwise your brain starts melting down into a puddle of ......wha..wait.err..huh....and its then you recognize the cognitive dissonance is creeping up on ya again. i don't like myself when i'm cognitively dissonant.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: seeker1963

when i get confused by all the hyperbole, i just go play everquest project 1999 and try to forget it, otherwise your brain starts melting down into a puddle of ......wha..wait.err..huh....and its then you recognize the cognitive dissonance is creeping up on ya again. i don't like myself when i'm cognitively dissonant.

Now I don't feel so alone?



Kinda goes with that video of the government spending 3 Million to study the World of Warcraft?

originally posted by: ISawItFirst

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: butcherguy

I'm not a Christian, I'm not held religiously to donate to people. Though, I have no problem with Medicaid either. These standards that I'm talking about are self-imposed Christian ones defined in the Bible. Don't get angry at me if I point out hypocrisy.

What's wrong with helping people less fortunate than yourself with Medicaid?

Yeah, i forgot how needy all those politixians in congress are. We should just give everytjing we have.

I dont think when Jesus said to care for the less fortunate, he meant by forcing others to pay for it at the point of a gun.

Mandatory charity isnt.

This is a fallacy. That money isn't lining the politicians' pockets outside of corruption and their paychecks.

But what if you are not a Christian or do not believe in the Bible?

Should I still read the bible?

What if the Ayatollah told you to read the Koran? Would you?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

There is also the bit in John where Judas rebukes Martha for pouring nard on Jesus's hair and using it to wash his feet. Judas's chief argument is that she could have sold the nard and used the money for the poor. Jesus rebukes Judas for his greed at this by saying that the poor will always be with you, but I will not.

Jesus also often taught in terms of prosperous land owners who had servants which meant they had wealth.

The lesson I draw from this is that Jesus does not take political sides, and that true charity come from the individual person, not the state. Kasich is more than free to take his own time and money and use them to benefit people, but by expanding Medicaid and calling it "charity" which is more or less what he's doing, he is stealing (Commandment against that one) from the people of his state to try to do charity. The inanimate monolith of the state is not a person if people here refuse to see corporations as people and thus the state is not charitable.



So in effect what Kasich did was steal from the people of Ohio on several levels especially as the Feds stop paying the bills on the expansion and the good people are left to pick up the tax/tab in coming years, but by then Kasich will be out of office. I believe the video above addresses this when it refers to how socialism is theft masked in altruistic terminology.

He wants to be your president, btw. Do you trust him?