Germany in a state of SIEGE

a reply to: Vroomfondel

BS overload... if the site crashes, it's your fault.

ETA: I was going to leave it at snarky but I can't. You lot are starting to sound like Nazi's... eating up the propaganda to justify horrors against the Jews. Discussions to make Islam illegal in the US? Japanese-American internment camps anyone?

Didn't the world kind of agree to never go down that road again?

a reply to: Swills


Actually unless the 'refugee's' were herded in cattle cars then put in gas chambers, and concentration camps.

That comparison so much as it was falls woefully short.

originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
you assume these people will even submit to western law.
To be true to Islam means they follow only sharia law, which is not going to attempt to prosecute them for anything they do to westerners. Third, prison doesn't teach people how to be better citizens. Its teaches people how to be better criminals.

This ^
This is what we have been finding out for a few years here in France. There is no desire to integrate the host country, no will to live by it's laws. To do so is against their religion and an offense to their God.
Prison is turning out to be one of the biggest sources of radical islamic recruiting here. That is one of the reasons the laws are not enforced upon them as they are on the locals.

Is there any discussion about how to possibly deal with it, if it gets significantly out of hand?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Germany has a protocol for dealing with this kind of thing. Has proven terribly effective in the past. These "migrants" may want to get out while they still can before the trains show up.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Tolerance, acceptance, understanding, informing, teaching, lecturing

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Tolerance, acceptance, understanding, informing, teaching, lecturing

Either that, or we will "feel the steel". Your words I believe.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Vroomfondel
Little in common? Let's try to find some common ground.

Both groups of people are being murdered by their gov't, and in the Syrian case extremists as well.

Well that's good enough for me.

The reason they are fleeing their homelands is similar - war. The way they interact with the countries they immigrate to is vastly different. I don't recall any Japanese or Jewish refugees trying to force the US to change for them, or trying to set up Japanese or Israeli city-states within US borders and rule by their homeland's preferred system of law while refusing to submit to our own.

You are entitled to your opinion, but in order to find common ground you are going to have to come way, way, in off that thin branch you are out on before it will support both of us.

a reply to: neo96

So are you saying because the Syrian refugees aren't being rounded up into gas chambers their plight falls woefully short in comparison to the German Jewish refugees?

Are you also saying the Syrian people aren't suffering, being killed, and don't need to relocate from Syria?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Syrian refugees forcing their lifestyle on German's? Is there more to this story because I'd like to read about it. Got a link?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Óoooh, now i understand the s*** panic, your neurotic, its a story, you consider it anger management. Ever read the bible and the exodus? They sacrificed to God their first meal, those who didnt were punished.

Its fairytales, well the triple amout isnt!!!

a reply to: Swills

So are you saying because the Syrian refugees aren't being rounded up into gas chambers their plight falls woefully short in comparison to the German Jewish refugees?

Yeah.

Because 'religious' folks were fleeing Germany NOT running to it.

The world just might wake up to the 4th reich one day.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Id bet ya, the Law book is the same, you heard of Abraham? I recall the foundation of the law came from him, Moses just hammered the s*** in a nice stoneplate

a reply to: Hyperia

You have a nice evening.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Syrian refugees forcing their lifestyle on German's? Is there more to this story because I'd like to read about it. Got a link?

Yes - the same link at the thread open.

Germany in a state of SIEGE: Merkel was cheered when she opened the floodgates to migrants. Now, with gangs of men roaming the streets and young German women being told to cover up, the mood's changing

The actual Syrian refugees are a small percentage of the total number of immigrants. I would advise reading the article the link takes you to before replying again.

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Id bet ya, the Law book is the same, you heard of Abraham? I recall the foundation of the law came from him, Moses just hammered the s*** in a nice stoneplate

If you only knew how sad that was... For a two week old account you have a lot more attitude and a lot less sense than you should.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Vroomfondel

BS overload... if the site crashes, it's your fault.

ETA: I was going to leave it at snarky but I can't. You lot are starting to sound like Nazi's... eating up the propaganda to justify horrors against the Jews. Discussions to make Islam illegal in the US? Japanese-American internment camps anyone?

Didn't the world kind of agree to never go down that road again?

There is definitely a BS overload, right there ^^^

Your entire post is off topic gibberish. And its not nice to call people Nazi's. Didn't we agree to never go down that road again?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Human vs. Primate, you decide

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Human vs. Primate, you decide

In reference to you? I would say insect...but that is an insult to dung beetles everywhere...

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting


Is there any discussion about how to possibly deal with it, if it gets significantly out of hand?

There is always discussion in France. Much time is devoted to discussion, and very little to decisions or action.

But one of the biggest obstacles to this is the large part fo the population who object to any mention of this cultural clash.
Some Americans would call them "bleeding heart liberals"- I don't wish to be so disrespectful, because their point of view has some merit- not all of these people are troublemakers, not all of them are so deeply religious that they will make a point of proving they are not submitting to the infidels.

Yet, the extremes on both ends pose an obstacle to creating any viable solutions, as they provoke each other.

I think, in this country (and I do not know if it is the case in Germany) part of their culture is that they do not share our American concept of "win-win" solutions - in which attending to the needs or desires of both sides can be done.
In France, in every exchange, there is a winner and a loser... that is simply their view on reality. This sustains a polarized sort of discussion in any analysis of conflict.
The cultures of the different europeans countries plays a part in how each will deal with this problem.

This is not going to go well, Germany still has some very active right wingers.
IMO it's going to be Rostock-Lichtenhagen all over again (times 10)