A New Day has Dawned , Jeremy Corbyn New Labour Leader , Tom Watson his deputy

a reply to: crazyewok I imagine his constituency in London will vote for him

a reply to: crazyewok

Haha! There will always be some folk who vote for him, even speaking for SW England we have 4 Labour MP's out of a possible 55. I wonder if that will drop to 3 by 2020?
Lol, I don't even reckon he'll last until 2020 though, he's even too socialist for the majority of Labour MP's.

a reply to: grainofsand

Personally I'm middle of the road with policies, some left, some right, but all left like Corbyn? Not a chance.

Let me give you a quick history lesson. Margaret Thatcher when she came to power shifted the "middle/centre ground" to the right, and it has stayed there ever since. Before Blair came to power as leader of the opposition undemocratically in the early 90ss,the Labour party was in a period of civil war, so the left was divided and basically conquered... And so it remained until today...

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
a reply to: grainofsand

Personally I'm middle of the road with policies, some left, some right, but all left like Corbyn? Not a chance.

Let me give you a quick history lesson. Margaret Thatcher when she came to power shifted the "middle/centre ground" to the right, and it has stayed there ever since. Before Blair came to power as leader of the opposition undemocratically in the early 90ss,the Labour party was in a period of civil war, so the left was divided and basically conquered... And so it remained until today...

Why on Earth do you think I needed a history lesson?
I knew all that, I lived through it as well.

I stated I'm middle of the road with policies, some left, some right, and I asserted that Corbyn is all left so I don't support him.
What point are you trying to make with the unsolicited history lesson?

a reply to: grainofsand

Even if you lived through it, still every possibility you are ignorant about it.

a reply to: nonjudgementalist

Yep but nothing in any of my posts indicated any ignorance on my part so your history lesson was pretty irrelevant as a reply to my post.
So, now you know I am neither affiliated left or right, but certain that I do not support solely left wing socialists such as Corbyn, do you have any thoughts relevant to the conversation?
Does it disappoint you that I am not a 'right wing reactionary' (the term you posted about others here) because that leaves you short on insults and instead have to focus on policy arguments without the silly emotions?

a reply to: grainofsand

SW England we have 4 Labour MP's out of a possible 55.

Scotland has 1 Conservative MP out of a possible 59.

So what's your point ?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: grainofsand

SW England we have 4 Labour MP's out of a possible 55.

Scotland has 1 Conservative MP out of a possible 59.

So what's your point ?

Perhaps if you had included the rest of my post in the quote you would see fairly obviously that my point was in general agreement with CrazyEwok regarding how few people in the South of England vote Labour.
I thought your reading and conversational comprehension skills were better than that ADL, I'm surprised.

*Edit*
The make-up of Scottish MP's is pretty irrelevant to Westminster, as was proven in the last election.

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
a reply to: crazyewok

I don't know if you actually live in the UK but you seem utterly ignorant about politics in the UK, and most of your views if I'm being honest sound like you're from a right wing conservative background in the United States.

Born breed and live in Kent.

The bluest of the blue areas.

Voted for the conservatives TWICE! MP Tracy Crouch if you want to check.


And if not wanting a nanny state and not wanting tax payers to fund micky mouse degrees that have no value to the UK makes me a "right" wing conservative? The I'm bloody proud of the label. Better that a wishy washy holy than thou Left wing loony who would see the UK become the third world





O and for the record I seem to know more than you, or should I say Im down here in reality!

Apart from a few loony ares in London and the crazy town that is Brighton the south and the south east is pretty much a Blue stronghold.
Wage caps and coal mines wont wash down here!

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: crazyewok I imagine his constituency in London will vote for him

Certain areas of London have always been home to the stupid or loony.

If millipede could not break the south Corbyn wont.

Heavy socialism like what he want DOES not work.

There needs to be some common sense. Sure the Torys seem to lack it, but Corbyn is not better and lives in a fairy tale land.

a reply to: grainofsand

Nothing in any of my posts indicated any ignorance on my part

Except that you referred to yourself as being middle of the road, on a day when the parameters that define "middle of the road" political views has just been moved back 40 years to a period when those views that were considered middle of the road were much more Left wing than the views that since Margaret Thatcher were considered middle of the road.

a reply to: nonjudgementalist

Oh behave yourself, I posted this:

Personally I'm middle of the road with policies, some left, some right, but all left like Corbyn? Not a chance.

Do you wanna stop inventing added value to my words now?
Your "Let me give you a quick history lesson" line just sounds pompous, and it was certainly irrelevant as a reply to my post.
I am becoming more convinced you are just gutted you cannot attribute your childlike "Right wing reactionary" label to me and are instead forced to debate without silly insults.

a reply to: crazyewok

And unregulated Capitalism DOES?

Hmmm... I don't think so.

a reply to: grainofsand

Do you wanna stop inventing added value to my words

I'm not making things up. You just don't understand the situation.

a reply to: nonjudgementalist

You are doing it again, CrazyEwok did not say that.
He actually questioned the common sense of the Tories in the post you responded to.
Why do you make judgements on what people post by inventing added value, and words they have not typed?
It is not becoming of your username, at all.

a reply to: crazyewok

Apart from a few loony ares in London and the crazy town that is Brighton the south and the south east is pretty much a Blue stronghold. 
Wage caps and coal mines wont wash down here!

Because unlike the north you're brain will wash???
srry this is slightly off topic....... but its true!

a reply to: nonjudgementalist

No, you are just not capable of discussion based solely on the words posted by the member.
You invent added value when it is not there. You pompously provide a history lesson and made a judgement that I was not aware of it. You make judgement on what you imagine, not what I type.
That is lame.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonjudgementalist

You are doing it again, CrazyEwok did not say that.
He actually questioned the common sense of the Tories in the post you responded to.
Why do you make judgements on what people post by inventing added value, and words they have not typed?
It is not becoming of your username, at all.

Its typical deflection

they cant answer the question or the points to twisted to a narrative they can respond to.

a reply to: grainofsand

You are doing it again, CrazyEwok did not say that. 

It was implied. Unregulated capitalism is exaclty what we have now and when he calls its opposition socialists and goes on to say socialism DOES not work, i think my question is perfectly justified..

a reply to: crazyewok

Lol, that's how I'm seeing it as well

Regarding policy though, what about those upper limits/caps on wages?
Corbyn is a tool if he doesn't think that businesses will just switch country of registration to get around it easily.
Even if he managed some legal framework to do it then the businesses would just move out.
It is a ridiculous idea, even the Premier League would get around it easily by employing players through, say, a company registered in the Cayman Islands and that would pay the excess above the wage cap imposed on the clubs.

Pie in the sky socialism until all countries in the world agree to the same.
Ridiculous.