A New Day has Dawned , Jeremy Corbyn New Labour Leader , Tom Watson his deputy

a reply to: crazyewok


How can we protect British intrests abroad without the military. They are a deterrent if nothing else. We dont just use them for war, they help deliver aid, train foreign soldiers so they can protect themselves and the engineers help train other engineers so they can build infrastructure in their countries. Corbin doesnt want them anywhere for any reason. His words.

a reply to: brancolinoxx

He's against interventionism which seeing the mess we've been left with thanks to our adventures is no bad thing , he favours talking above bombing civilians.
He wants to scrap Trident which would save our country Billions from a system we don't even control , another good idea.

None of those would leave our country defenseless but they would save us money at a time of austerity.

a reply to: nonjudgementalist

Never said I was a loyal tory.

But im not going to support labour agenda either.

Heavy solclism, out of control debt, heavy beurocracy and nanny states are not my cup of tea.

a reply to: nonjudgementalist Corbyn is middle class. Labour MP for Islington London is about as middle class as you can get these days.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: nonjudgementalist

Never said I was a loyal tory.

But im not going to support labour agenda either.

Heavy solclism, out of control debt, heavy beurocracy and nanny states are not my cup of tea.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours.

However, I would probably have a lot more respect for the Tories if they were truthful about the cuts to the welfare system, instead of hiding behind the B.S of austerity. It's their ideology, along with cuts to other public services, in order to reduce the Tax Burden of the rich.

I would never ever vote for them though. I'm working class, and they do not represent my political views.

Anyone who stands for unlimited immigration is a traitor and an enemy of reason and democracy.

It's time we had politicians who stood for what the people want and, trust me, unlimited immigration isn't even close to what the average Joe wants.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

As I said im not a party loyalists.

Although I voted for my local conservative MP who is a decent sort with a pretty ordinary background I do find iain dunken smith a rather nasty individual. And although I do agree with slashing the deficiet and reduceing the wefare budget for able bodied people, I am appalled by IDS and camrons actions in regard to the disability welfare.

I like to split the conservative party into two groups:

Normal conservatives who just want minimal government interference and common sense right wing policys putting the UK first over the EU or USA. But still supporting the vulnerable.

And

Torys, the old public school establishment scum like IDS, camron, osborne and may who just view government as a cow to be milked for them and there freinds.

In my opinion there are torys in the conservative AND labour party's.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
Anyone who stands for unlimited immigration is a traitor and an enemy of reason and democracy.

It's time we had politicians who stood for what the people want and, trust me, unlimited immigration isn't even close to what the average Joe wants.

I would not call him a traitor.

Corbyn has a right to want unlimited immigration even if it is a stupid arse idea.

UK a free country and we are all allowed views and opinions.

Thankfull corbyn wont ever become PM.

The south wont ever vote for him on that platform and if we cant win the south he has no chance in hell.

a reply to: crazyewok

I would not call him a traitor.

I would. He represents a principle that he knows full well will be hugely unpopular with around 70% of the public. I call that antidemocratic and treacherous.

Certain people would like to big this geezer up, but at the end of the day he's just another dictator who wants to push his world view onto the public; fine if they want it too, but if they don't...suck it up, baby.

Nothing special about this one.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
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I would. He represents a principle that he knows full well will be hugely unpopular with around 70% of the public. I call that antidemocratic and treacherous.
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Erm

He hasn't declared himself PM you know?

If its 70% unpopular (and I agree) then he will lose the next GE wont he? No harm done.

a reply to: gortex

I guess Thursday the 7th of May 2020 will be another day I shall not be voting for Labour then.
...that's assuming he even lasts that long as leader of the party, next PM questions should be amusing, looking forward to it.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
Anyone who stands for unlimited immigration is a traitor and an enemy of reason and democracy.

It's time we had politicians who stood for what the people want and, trust me, unlimited immigration isn't even close to what the average Joe wants.

That's not a Corbyn policy.

He doesn't want unlimited immigration. He has never said anything of the sort. He said he respects the rights and dignity of those fleeing from violence and civil unrest which we provoked and helped create with our foreign policy in this country. He doesn't want them all to come here, or Europe for that matter either, he actually says it should be handled by the UN, and that people fleeing their own countries should taken in by countries around the world. Additionally he wants us to stop sending arms etc into conflict zones that lead to migrants coming here in the first place, and those countries at people flee from should be invested in by e international community in a way that leads to econic and social stability for the people of those countries. I haven't heard him once suggest that he is in favour of unlimited immigration, so youre ludicrous exaggerations are only fooling those who have no idea about what JC actually stands for, or those who are just willfully ignorant or playing along to discredit the movement. Not only does that make you a traitor of humanity it makes you a traitor of truth! Shame on you.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: gortex

I guess Thursday the 7th of May 2020 will be another day I shall not be voting for Labour then.
...that's assuming he even lasts that long as leader of the party, next PM questions should be amusing, looking forward to it.

To be honest, the right wing reactionaries here are a lot more amusing, and I too look forward to a thread about the first PMQs with Corbyn as her Majesty's leader of the opposition. Youre underestimations of Corbyn are showing yourselves up.

David Cameron is probably shaking in his boots right now.

I note that Tom Watson has been elected deputy leader of the Labour party to serve under Jeremy Corbyn.
'Tom and Jerry' Lol, could actually make a funny cartoon, especially with some of the almost joke policies they stand for:

Maximum wage caps in private industry
'Right to buy' for private housing tenants
Reopening coal mines

The guy is stuck in the 70's in my opinion, but most Labour MP's do not support him so I'll predict it here, he won't last until 2020.

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: gortex

I guess Thursday the 7th of May 2020 will be another day I shall not be voting for Labour then.
...that's assuming he even lasts that long as leader of the party, next PM questions should be amusing, looking forward to it.

To be honest, the right wing reactionaries here are a lot more amusing, and I too look forward to a thread about the first PMQs with Corbyn as her Majesty's leader of the opposition. Youre underestimations of Corbyn are showing yourselves up.

David Cameron is probably shaking in his boots right now.

Haha you are joking right?!
I bet Cameron is rubbing his hands in glee and brushing up on his insults and piss-take lines about hard core socialists.
Oh, and right-wing reactionaries? Who, where?
Personally I'm middle of the road with policies, some left, some right, but all left like Corbyn? Not a chance.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: nonjudgementalist Corbyn is middle class. Labour MP for Islington London is about as middle class as you can get these days.

I've got nothing against the middle class. Warmongers, like those who call for "class war" are all traitors of humanity in my book.

originally posted by: grainofsand
I note that Tom Watson has been elected deputy leader of the Labour party to serve under Jeremy Corbyn.
'Tom and Jerry' Lol, could actually make a funny cartoon, especially with some of the almost joke policies they stand for:

Maximum wage caps in private industry
'Right to buy' for private housing tenants
Reopening coal mines

The guy is stuck in the 70's in my opinion, but most Labour MP's do not support him so I'll predict it here, he won't last until 2020.

O god.....wage caps and coal Mines!

Well labour are toast. No one bellow Birmingham will vote for him!

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: gortex

I guess Thursday the 7th of May 2020 will be another day I shall not be voting for Labour then.
...that's assuming he even lasts that long as leader of the party, next PM questions should be amusing, looking forward to it.

To be honest, the right wing reactionaries here are a lot more amusing, and I too look forward to a thread about the first PMQs with Corbyn as her Majesty's leader of the opposition. Youre underestimations of Corbyn are showing yourselves up.

David Cameron is probably shaking in his boots right now.

Haha you are joking right?!

No... I'm not joking... and this isn't a joke, you joker!

I bet Cameron is rubbing his hands in glee and brushing up on his insults and piss-take lines about hard core socialists.

More like sweating his brow in frustration that for the first time in his career has genuine left wing opposition. You think Cameron is going to shred Corbyn? I don't doubt he will try, what else can he do? But Corbyn knows exaclty how to shut David Cameron up, and Cameron knows it. That's why he is scared.

a reply to: crazyewok

I don't know if you actually live in the UK but you seem utterly ignorant about politics in the UK, and most of your views if I'm being honest sound like you're from a right wing conservative background in the United States.

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: gortex

I guess Thursday the 7th of May 2020 will be another day I shall not be voting for Labour then.
...that's assuming he even lasts that long as leader of the party, next PM questions should be amusing, looking forward to it.

To be honest, the right wing reactionaries here are a lot more amusing, and I too look forward to a thread about the first PMQs with Corbyn as her Majesty's leader of the opposition. Youre underestimations of Corbyn are showing yourselves up.

David Cameron is probably shaking in his boots right now.

Haha you are joking right?!

No... I'm not joking... and this isn't a joke, you joker!

I bet Cameron is rubbing his hands in glee and brushing up on his insults and piss-take lines about hard core socialists.

More like sweating his brow in frustration that for the first time in his career has genuine left wing opposition. You think Cameron is going to ended Corbyn? I don't doubt he will try, what else can he do? But Corbyn knows exaclty how to shut David Cameron up, and Cameron knows it. That's why he is scared.

Ah we will see in time, your opinion is no more based on facts than my own so I'll just enjoy watching how it pans out.
I may check the odds on a bet that he doesn't last until 2020, definitely worth a tenner on him not being leader for the next election, certainly worth the amusement.