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The CIA never supported Tim Osman sorry I meant Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda along with the Mujahadin in Afghanistan against the Russians?
Afghan Arabs: Not Supported by the CIA
Afghan Arabs (also known as Arab-Afghans) were Arab and other Muslim Islamist mujahideen who came to Afghanistan during and following the Soviet-Afghan War to help fellow Muslims fight Soviets and pro-Soviet Afghans. Observers and journalists covering the war have cast doubt on their significance as a fighting force, but within the Muslim Arab world they achieved near hero-status for their association with the defeat of the militant atheist, anti-religious Communist superpower that was the Soviet Union.
One supporter of the Afghan Arabs, General Hameed Gul, the former head of the Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence, explained the recruitment of Muslims to fight in Afghanistan this way: `We are fighting a jihad and this is the first Islamic international brigade in the modern era. The Communists have their international brigades, the West has NATO, why can't the Muslims unite and form a common front?`
While there was generous financial aid to Afghan guerillas throughout the 1980s, most foreign Muslim jihad volunteers did not arrive in Afghanistan until the mid-1980s.
Osama bin Laden used the thousands of fighters he recruited in 1988 to fight against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan bin Laden expanded his "jihad" or holy war. The goals of al-Qaida's jihad are to establish the rule of God on Earth, to cleanse Islam of depravity and to become martyrs to the cause. In 1998 al Qaida issued a statement claiming it was the duty of all Muslims to kill U.S. citizens including civilians.
en.wikipedia.org...
Afghan Mujahideen: Supported by the CIA
The Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen (also known as the Seven Party Mujahideen Alliance or Peshawar Seven) was an Afghan organization formed in May 1985 by the seven Afghanmujahideen parties fighting against the Soviet and Democratic Republic of Afghanistan forces in the Soviet-Afghan War. The alliance sought to function as a united diplomatic front towards the world opinion, and sought representation in the United Nations and Organisation of the Islamic Conference
www.airpower.au.af.mil...
Is that the best they can come up with to stop what you idiots call 'TRUTHERS' trying to learn the truth?
For one thing Al-Qaeda is a database of Mercenaries and not a group.
If you do YOUR homework you will find out that 'Tim Osman' was OBL's CIA codename and has been since the 1970's and that the CIA funded all his operations.
Osama bin Laden
Bin Laden himself once said "the collapse of the Soviet Union ... goes to God and the mujahideen in Afghanistan ... the US had no mentionable role," but "collapse made the US more haughty and arrogant."
* With a quarter of a million local Afghans willing to fight there was no need to recruit foreigners unfamiliar with the local language, customs or lay of the land
* With several hundred million dollars a year in funding from non-American, Muslim sources, Arab Afghans themselves would have no need for American funds
* Americans could not train mujahideen because Pakistani officials would not allow more than a handful of U.S. agents to operate in Pakistan and none in Afghanistan;
* The Afghan Arabs were militant Islamists, reflexively hostile to Westerners, and prone to threaten or attack Westerners even though they knew the Westerners were helping the (Afghan) mujahideen.
* The US government greatly feared arming or training Arabs would lead to attacks on Israel with those arms or training.
According to CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth.
There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.
The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.
www.cnn.com...
Bergen quotes Pakistani Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, who ran the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Afghan operation between 1983 and 1987:
It was always galling to the Americans, and I can understand their point of view, that although they paid the piper they could not call the tune. The CIA supported the (Afghan) mujahideen by spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment. It was their secret arms procurement branch that was kept busy.
It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country.
As to the sound and seismic activity. That all Depends on the type of demo charge they used..
If it was a set up, I highly doubt they would be ignorant enough to use typical demo charges.[/qluote]
It doesn't matter what type of explosives is used because explosives make a lot of noise that can be heard for miles.
What if they found evidence of thermite dust?
The basic ingredients of thermite was already present at ground zero in the presence of other materials. Thermite is not practical for demolishing steel frame buildings.
[qote]Would that raise your eyebrows? And you have to admit, (aside from planes being involved) the way them buildings fell looked professionally done. Especially wtc7
I won't even comment on the Pentagon/plane/bull# , that can all be proved by the video, that's all I'll debate about.
The evidence that they won't release.
y Wing Commander was at the Pentagon when it was struck by American 77. He later briefed us on the details of what happened during his going-away dinner party.
Eyewitness Accounts: Large Jetliner
Eyewitness Accounts Describe Jetliner Approaching and Striking Pentagon
Of the more than 100 eyewitness accounts in Eric Bart's compilation, most refer to a jet aircraft approaching the Pentagon in the moments before the explosion.
Of the accounts that indicate the type of aircraft observed, the majority describe a large twin-engine jetliner, consistent with a Boeing 757, which Flight 77 was, or a Boeing 737. Far fewer witnesses recalled a small aircraft approaching the Pentagon. Following are accounts organized into two categories.
Alan Wallace -- firefighter with safety crew at Pentagon's heliport
We have had a commercial carrier crash into the west side of the Pentagon at the heliport, Washington Boulevard side. The crew is OK. The airplane was a 757 Boeing or a 320 Airbus.
Albert Hemphill -- from inside the Naval Annex
Immediately, the large silver cylinder of an aircraft appeared in my window, coming over my right shoulder as I faced the Westside of the Pentagon directly towards the heliport. The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus, seemed to come directly over the annex
James S. Robbins -- Robbins, a national-security analyst and 'nationalreviewonline' contributor, watched from his 6th story office window in Arlington
The Pentagon is about a mile and half distant in the center of the tableau. I was looking directly at it when the aircraft struck. The sight of the 757 diving in at an unrecoverable angle is frozen in my memory, ...
Tim Timmerman --
... said it had been an American Airways 757.
Tim Timmerman -- from 16th floor apartment near National Airport
It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question.
Mike Dobbs -- observed from upper level of outer ring of Pentagon
... looking out the window when he saw an American Airlines 737 twin-engine airliner strike the building.
Terry Morin -- watched from 5th wing of BMDO offices at the old Navy Annex
The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn't be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.
Jim Sutherland -- from his car
... saw ... a white 737 twin-engine plane with multicolored trim fly 50 feet over I-395 in a straight line, striking the side of the Pentagon.
Noel Sepulveda --
... saw a commercial airliner coming from the direction of Henderson Hall the Marine Corps headquarters.
Madelyn Zakhem --
... she heard what she thought was a jet fighter directly overhead. It wasn't. It was an airliner coming straight up Columbia Pike at tree-top level. It was huge! It was silver. It was low -- unbelievable! I could see the cockpit.
Joel Sucherman --
Do you know how many engines? - I did not see the engines, I saw the body and the tail; it was a silver jet with the markings along the windows that spoke to me as an American Airlines jet, it was not a commercial, excuse me, a business jet, it was not a Lear jet, ... it was a bigger plane than that.
Dave Winslow -- Winslow is an AP reporter
I saw the tail of a large airliner ... It ploughed right into the Pentagon
originally posted by: Redheadhog
And you have to admit, (aside from planes being involved) the way them buildings fell looked professionally done. Especially wtc7
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..my question about that, was simply, why withhold the evidence?? Why not show us the videos?
We have all kinds of videos of the planes hitting the towers..
... Why not the Pentagon?
As I said, if it was a plane, then show us!!
You gotta admit that it didn't look good that the 9/11 commission complained about being under funded, not having enough time, and not being able to share a lot of the info they had.
The government held them back. You can see the frustration in their face and hear it in their voice during interviews. That is enough to raise a lot of suspicion. They should of been able to go threw all the wreckage before it was sold as scrap to china n India. Jus sayin.
They Tried to Warn Us: Foreign Intelligence Warnings Before 9/11
The Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9-11 is now finished, but the findings that have been released fail to mention any warnings from foreign governments. The US mainstream media also has paid little attention to warnings from foreign governments.
Yet there were so many warnings—from both our friends and enemies alike—often specifically suggesting the targets or method of attack. In at least one case, the warnings actually mentioned hijackers by name.
www.historycommons.org...
The Bojinka Plot
The explosions were to be timed by the operatives before they disembarked from the plane. The aircraft would have exploded over the Pacific Ocean and the South China Sea almost simultaneously. If this plan worked, several thousand passengers would have perished, and air travel would likely have been shut down worldwide. The U.S. government estimated the prospective death toll to be about 4,000 if the plot had been executed. (For comparison, about 3,000 were killed during the September 11 attacks in the United States.)
Phase III: CIA plane crash plot
Phase three would have involved Murad either renting, buying, or hijacking a small airplane, preferably a Cessna. The airplane would be filled with explosives. He would then crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in the Langley area in Fairfax County, Virginia. Murad had been trained as a pilot in North Carolina, and was slated to be a suicide pilot.
There were alternate plans to hijack a 12th commercial airliner and use that instead of the small aircraft, probably due to the Manila cell's growing frustration with explosives. Testing explosives in a house or apartment is dangerous, and it can easily give away a terrorist plot. Khalid Sheik Mohammed probably made the alternate plan.
en.wikipedia.org...
Taliban 'warned US of huge attack
An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil.
news.bbc.co.uk...
Another thing that strikes me as shady (among other things), is sending all the evidence from the wtc buildings wreckage by the boat load over to china, India, etc. To sell for scrap, before it could be investigated thoroughly.
originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Redheadhog
Another thing that strikes me as shady (among other things), is sending all the evidence from the wtc buildings wreckage by the boat load over to china, India, etc. To sell for scrap, before it could be investigated thoroughly.
Have you forgotten that all the debris was taken to the fresh kills landfill where people went through it by hand ?
Beams were inspected by experts and held aside for detailed analysis.
Conspiracy sites don't mention those little details do they?
They would have been under HUGE pressure to confirm to the official story and not to report anomalies that were inconsistent with the offical narrative. Their careers would be over in a second if they did not stick to it.