FOX News: Transgender girl drops class after 200 protest for and against her.

originally posted by: Mousygretchen
you bet your a$$ Trans men have an easier time fitting into society

Isn't it interesting - - - we never hear horror stories of "I was tricked" from a woman who had a one night stand with a transgender f/m.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Kojiro

But if someone has breasts but still has their penis, suddenly it's "get that freak out of here?"

But you said pre-op. They wouldn't have penis.

*Facepalm.* Look below:

To clarify:

The girls will have no problem with pre-op transmen in their locker room.
The girls obviously have problem with pre-op transwomen in their locker room.

That's exactly the contrast I was referring to. Notice how I said "still has their penis," still being the key word; I was contrasting it with a transwoman's situation. All you're really advocating is transmisogyny. No man is going to throw a transman out of the "penis-only" bathroom, because frankly men are not going to peek in another man's stall to see if they have a vagina (because obviously they wouldn't want to be accused of being gay and have some pissed off bloke beating them up for the act of being a peeping tom in the men's bathroom). And then you're saying it's also okay for this masculine person taking testosterone to just waltz in the women's bathroom too because there's still a vagina there and # all if he's otherwise a typical guy.

But the moment a woman with a penis walks into the women's bathroom, "OH NO! PERVERT!" and when she walks into the men's, anything could happen: Stares, laughter, harassment, physical violence. It's a roulette of unpleasant outcomes.

originally posted by: Mousygretchen
you bet your a$$ Trans men have an easier time fitting into society

It's the patriarchal double standard. Lovely world isn't it?

a reply to: Kojiro

Maybe we were confused about what we were really talking about. You said that the girls would have problems with transmen (meaning females who identify themselves as males).

But the moment a woman with a penis walks into the women's bathroom, "OH NO! PERVERT!" and when she walks into the men's, anything could happen: Stares, laughter, harassment, physical violence. It's a roulette of unpleasant outcomes.

Yes I understand that.

Boys would be more than happy to have transmen in their locker room because that means they have them in there with ACTUAL FEMALE BODIES. Horny teen boys and all that.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Kojiro

Maybe we were confused about what we were really talking about. You said that the girls would have problems with transmen (meaning females who identify themselves as males).

Yes, because we're essentially talking about a MAN with a vagina. And you apparently think that him being born with it gets him off scott free despite being hopped up on testosterone and likely possessing very masculine views and desires.

But oh no, that woman over there still has a penis, don't let her in! Even though she's getting breasts, has estrogen through every fiber of her body, with feminine desires and hopes, essentially taking a STEP downward in patriarchal society; she is labeled a freak and/or pervert. This is the point I'm trying to drive home. Do you grasp it yet?

But the moment a woman with a penis walks into the women's bathroom, "OH NO! PERVERT!" and when she walks into the men's, anything could happen: Stares, laughter, harassment, physical violence. It's a roulette of unpleasant outcomes.

Yes I understand that.

Boys would be more than happy to have transmen in their locker room because that means they have them in there with ACTUAL FEMALE BODIES. Horny teen boys and all that.

Are you confused? Because the part you quoted from my post there is a transwoman forced to use the men's bathroom. The larger paragraph above it is about transmen.

But otherwise you're correct, the guys would be thrilled.

a reply to: Kojiro

Yes, because we're essentially talking about a MAN with a vagina. And you apparently think that him being born with it gets him off scott free despite being hopped up on testosterone and likely possessing very masculine views and desires.

OK and you think the girls would have problem with that? Many people in this thread has stated that they are uncomfortable with transgirls because of penis which is understandable. But why would the girls be uncomfortable with transboys? As far as they are concerned they are female, even if they identify themselves as male.

But otherwise you're correct, the guys would be thrilled.

Oh yeah transmen would be more afraid of using boy's locker room lol.

originally posted by: Kojiro
. . . you apparently think that him being born with it gets him off scott free despite being hopped up on testosterone and likely possessing very masculine views and desires.

What?

a reply to: Annee

Transmen have men's brains. And they need to take testosterone to get the masculine builds to remedy that similar brain and body conflict that transwomen have. They're going the other way. Why is everyone utterly confused about this suddenly?

a reply to: Kojiro

Why is everyone utterly confused about this suddenly?

No not confused. You claimed that the girls would be uncomfortable with transmen in their locker room. I asked you why. Simple.

What would transmen do to them? It's no different from tomboys and lesbians.

originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: Annee

Transmen have men's brains. And they need to take testosterone to get the masculine builds to remedy that similar brain and body conflict that transwomen have. They're going the other way. Why is everyone utterly confused about this suddenly?

I am not confused.

First off - - the physical body is secondary.

Do I think a f/m transgender would want to buff up. Depends on the person - - but probably.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Not exactly. Transmen are men. They just happened to be born with female bodies. It is not the same as tomboys or lesbians, because they're perfectly content with their female gender identities. A transman isn't. Imagine a normal, typical guy and now suddenly he has a woman's body. This is what a transman is, and now he has free rein of the girl's locker room despite taking testosterone, looking like a man, smelling like a man, thinking like a man. We'd best hope he's gay at the very least, because he's going through male puberty. Horny male puberty.

Meanwhile a transwoman has to deal with humiliation, ridicule, and has to pee or change her clothes. But # her, I guess; she still has a penis. Let her suffer.

But this is okay, apparently. Because men rule the world, right? Let the double standard reign.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: Annee

Transmen have men's brains. And they need to take testosterone to get the masculine builds to remedy that similar brain and body conflict that transwomen have. They're going the other way. Why is everyone utterly confused about this suddenly?

I am not confused.

First off - - the physical body is secondary

Yes you are, because that's exactly what I'm SAYING!!!

Let's do look at the from the opposite direction a little more closely for a minute.

Ladies, how would you feel about bumping into this guy in the bathroom? I won't deny for a second I would be a little freaked out and wonder what the hell is going on.

Gentlemen, would you bat an eye at this guy in your bathroom or think twice about it?



FWIW, dude is hot even if he was born female.

a reply to: Kojiro

We'd best hope he's gay at the very least, because he's going through male puberty. Horny male puberty.

Ok. But remember they don't have penis. Again, what would they do?

a reply to: Deaf Alien

RIIIIIIGHT, because a penis is all you actually need for sex. How silly of me. I'll just stand over here and pee my panties in the hallway then, like a good freak.

a reply to: EKron

Ladies, how would you feel about bumping into this guy in the bathroom? I won't deny for a second I would be a little freaked out and wonder what the hell is going on.

Oh I wouldn't be surprised. It's understandable that if someone who looks like a man that you don't know walks in the bathroom you would freak out.

But here we are talking about teenagers who are transmen transitioning and the girls who KNOW them personally.

a reply to: EKron
damn girl

originally posted by: Kojiro

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: Annee

Transmen have men's brains. And they need to take testosterone to get the masculine builds to remedy that similar brain and body conflict that transwomen have. They're going the other way. Why is everyone utterly confused about this suddenly?

I am not confused.

First off - - the physical body is secondary

Yes you are, because that's exactly what I'm SAYING!!!

You have a strange way of saying it then.

a reply to: Kojiro

So basically you are worried that transmen will stare and feel them up like some horny teenager boy? And you think those high school girls are worried even though they know him.

a reply to: Annee

Or you just have poor reading comprehension.

a reply to: Annee
They must be doing something right

lol