Texas Officer From Viral Photo Compares #BlackLivesMatter to KKK and Skinheads

There are groups who raise money for breast cancer awareness. Do you also think they are exclusive? Do you think they don't care about testicular cancer?

The #BLM is doing the same thing. They are rightly bringing attention to the discrimination of blacks. Which you agree with. Why can't they do this with out people screaming that other people matter too? They are not saying that those others don't matter.

a reply to: nullafides

a reply to: Woodcarver

Thank you so damned much for all but coming out and calling me racist. I appreciate it.

It proves my point with regards to you, and those who share your opinion.



What flavor was the koolaid, btw?

a reply to: Woodcarver

This is not a cancer issue. This is a human life issue.

Feel free to attempt to draw any and all correlations you wish.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

There are things far more important than photos. Things that are far more synergistic.

I could care less if they were paid actors. What matters, is what the image conveys.

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: Woodcarver

This is not a cancer issue. This is a human life issue.

Feel free to attempt to draw any and all correlations you wish.

Haha. I am not saying this is a cancer issue. Do you not understand the point i made? I guess you don't.
I don't need to call you a racist. Your own words make it painfully obvious.

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: Reallyfolks

There are things far more important than photos. Things that are far more synergistic.

I could care less if they were paid actors. What matters, is what the image conveys.

Ok, don't see anything wrong with what it conveys. It seems some do. Fine, but if this photo is a "problem" and people attach it to police. And it's not actually the police then it is an issue. Would you like someone putting a controversial picture out, attaching your name to it if you had nothing to do with it?

a reply to: Woodcarver

Problem is they are not focusing on most of "who" is discriminating against the blacks.

Hint: other blacks.

This is why it is a joke and will be treated as such....forever.

It's remarkable that a civil rights group is expected to scope their mission to encompass every potential cause in order to avoid being seen as bigoted against those groups not in its scope. If I start an organization intended to help children with cancer, am I hateful to elderly folks with cancer? If I donate money to help poor, inner-city youth, does that mean I harbor a hatred towards poor rural youth? I've not seen these claims made. Frequently, however, I see a dogged insistence that to advocate for improving the conditions of women in the workplace or against the mistreatment of blacks by law enforcement is evidence of an unsavory agenda. This is curious to me. The comparison of "BLM" to the KKK is entirely dubious. The KKK's reason for being was premised on an openly racist ideology with open advocacy for the use of terrorism against black communities to retain an imbalanced status quo. I'd be curious to see a reputable source indicating that BLM's agenda is anything other than to advocate against the mistreatment of blacks by law enforcement. Not just mistreatment, mind you: mistreatment with fatal consequences. To expect the constituents of a mistreated minority to dedicate equal air time to making the point that such mistreatment is wrong regardless of the recipient implies an interesting conceit. Would you also advance that the women's suffrage movement was misandrist because they didn't call it the "Universal Suffrage Movement"?

BLM is intended to be a correcting force, not a one-size-fits-all advocacy group speaking to all aspects of police conduct, and there is nothing wrong with this. I'll refrain from calling anyone a racist, but I would suggest that a failure to understand or acknowledge this dynamic is liable to raise some eyebrows.

* Edited to acknowledge that some of this is redundant as Woodcarver has made a similar point to one made here.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: Woodcarver

Problem is they are not focusing on most of "who" is discriminating against the blacks.

Hint: other blacks.

This is why it is a joke and will be treated as such....forever.

They perpetrate crimes against each other because they are packed into concentrated areas with cheap rent and no chance of gainful employment.

I know many people try to ignore the oppression of black people. When people are trapped in a cage, with not enough resources, they tend to fight amongst themselves. It takes a special kind to then blame the people in the cage rather than the owner of the cage.

a reply to: ParasuvO

You're talking about 'black on black' violence. It is addressed by communities affected. There's countless community organizations trying to tackle the problem. The problem with trying to flip the narrative is this... it makes you appear as if you're saying black people don't deserve the full protections of the Constitution. That it's okay for a cop to act as judge, jury and executioner with black people because there was a gang shoot out the other night.

Should BLM Brooklyn march to DC for violence in the community? Should they grab megaphones and stop traffic for something in their own neighborhood? No, it's silly right? They think so too, so they don't bring community issues to the national stage... and that's why you don't hear about efforts to tackle black on black violence. I mean you could if you read community newspapers and such but...

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: Woodcarver

Problem is they are not focusing on most of "who" is discriminating against the blacks.

Hint: other blacks.

This is why it is a joke and will be treated as such....forever.

They perpetrate crimes against each other because they are packed into concentrated areas with cheap rent and no chance of gainful employment.

I know many people try to ignore the oppression of black people. When people are trapped in a cage, with not enough resources, they tend to fight amongst themselves. It takes a special kind to then blame the people in the cage rather than the owner of the cage.

So take into reality that there are limited resources what is your suggestion from a social services point of view? It's a catch 22 businesses don't open in large numbers in high crime area's because they are high crime area's, less jobs. Public schools are available to all, but how hard is it to get the best and brightest teachers into that area if they have safety concerns?. Police crackdown? How well would that go over? More, better, spread out housing? Limited resources. I'm seriously interested in what the solution would be as you see it.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: Woodcarver

Problem is they are not focusing on most of "who" is discriminating against the blacks.

Hint: other blacks.

This is why it is a joke and will be treated as such....forever.

So you can't see the difference between someone who is a victim of growing up in an impoverished, high-crime environment, and someone who is rendered deceased by virtue of police conduct ranging from dubious to outrageous? That's interesting. I'm pretty sure that when black folks die at the hand of other black folks, it's not something you'd often put down to "discrimination." I'm curious how you might argue otherwise.

Since it has been brought up, I also wonder about the assertion that BLM is in the wrong because they're not trying to tackle the issue of inner-city violence. Are we to take from this that the statistical fact that inner-city violence is generally perpetrated by minorities against minorities means that said minorities have no right to fair and humane treatment by law enforcement? That would be a strange assertion.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

First, i would raise the standards for employment for the police. Requiring a college degree would exclude most of their problem. Give them a pay increase, and strictly enforce a bodycam policy.

Second, i would decriminalize MJ, maybe even some harder drugs as well. That would take the edge off of most vehicle stops and take that burden away from police. Judges won't be able to hand out insane punishments for minor crimes. That will keep black families together so they can help support eachother.


Third, educate, educate, educate. The smarter people are, the better they can serve themselves. Right now there is no way to compare the public schools that are predominantly black to those public schools that are predominantly full of white kids. The quality of education they recieve is laughable.


The hardest point to get across is that the position that they are in was set up by the system that keeps them oppressed.

Some peoples inability to see this is the problem they are trying to bring awareness to.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Reallyfolks

First, i would raise the standards for employment for the police. Requiring a college degree would exclude most of their problem. Give them a pay increase, and strictly enforce a bodycam policy.

Second, i would decriminalize MJ, maybe even some harder drugs as well. That would take the edge off of most vehicle stops and take that burden away from police. Judges won't be able to hand out insane punishments for minor crimes. That will keep black families together so they can help support eachother.


Third, educate, educate, educate. The smarter people are, the better they can serve themselves. Right now there is no way to compare the public schools that are predominantly black to those public schools that are predominantly full of white kids. The quality of education they recieve is laughable.


The hardest point to get across is that the position that they are in was set up by the system that keeps them oppressed.

Some peoples inability to see this is the problem they are trying to bring awareness to.

Ok these are pretty standard , logical seeming responses. Higher pay, body cams, etc. For cops. Where does the money come from? Pretty strained budgets in many inner cities. Several have degraded credit ratings making borrowing even harder. Limited resources is reality, so money.

Better education requires better teachers for one. How do you convince these teachers to go in an area they fear for safety.

Jobs, companies will not move in great numbers to high crime area's. This will be pretty key while the other recommendations take affect. How do you get businesses into these areas ?

Would a large crackdown by police in these areas to clean them up to make it a better area for teachers and business be the way to go.

Again there are so many dependencies here. If you don't hit on all of them it will fail. Meaning ok , cleanup the area, better teachers come in. Flip side is more parent involvement and desire of the students to want to learn.

Problem I see with most recommendations is they don't seem to account for the catch 22 issues as I pointed to, limited resources, and for any of this to work that not only do the environments need to change but so do people in them. More to the point if we implemented everything and yet the people don't hold up their end, what happens to those people?

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Yea. It's not going to be easy. Are you abdicating that we just give up?

We could easily move some funds from our war chest. Maybe skip a couple nuclear bomb payments.

Maybe bring some of those jobs back from other countries?

I'm not asking for lambos for everyone, but we could make sure people have jobs so their kids can eat lunch at school.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Yea. It's not going to be easy. Are you abdicating that we just give up?

We could easily move some funds from our war chest. Maybe skip a couple nuclear bomb payments.

Maybe bring some of those jobs back from other countries?

I'm not asking for lambos for everyone, but we could make sure people have jobs so their kids can eat lunch at school.

No what I am saying is that if you are going to act. Then you can't tackle 1 of the 15 issues and think success will come from. It. What I am saying is that a large plan accounting for all the obstacles must be put forth. More importantly their must be changes and accountability from not only those changing the environment but those in the current environment. If any of this is not addressed it cannot happen. I believe that the third is the most important. You can make changes all day long but if people the changes are for are not also willing to change don't bother

What's that old saying? Want to make a change, start by changing yourself? Pretty important here.

As far as the war chest, things like police salaries don't come from the federal budget so you may want to do some more thinking on the funding resource limits.

There are plenty of federally funded programs. But if you don't like my options, what are some things you can think of to help equalize our black brothers and sisters?

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Racism IS materialism. Shallow, meaningless and pathetic.

Stop the hate. Forgive each other.

All lives matter!

Even the 0.00001% elitists' lives matter. Although, they are certainly on the bottom of my list of people to care about in this world. But that's not about racism. I could care less what shade their skin is.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Didnt say I didn't like your options. What I did was point out the obstacles stemming from reality. I leave the solutions to people much smarter than I am, but if the smart people can't overcome the obstacles in a realistic manner then nothing will improve.

Likewise I have said the most important thing is that changes would have to happen both in and out of the communities. Here's the thing with blm like many organizations. They want the cops to change and quit shooting black people. Ok let's say we wake up tomorrow and magically they get what they want. If at the same time the cops change the members of the community aren't making changes then in a few years we're back at square one, nothing was solved.

That to me is where the failure comes in. There has to be changes on both sides of this issue. If your not working for that you really aren't pursuing a solution
What I am trying to get at is if my magical scenario happened and the cops change. if Community members still hate cops, say cops still get shot at, no cooperation, etc how long before the cops change back? There have been many police abuse cases, cops in the wrong, etc. Changes need to happen, but if there is not also a change in the communities, good luck.