BREAKING: Court Rules Against StemExpress On Undercover Planned Parenthood Videos

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: stosh64

So now attempting to compare a young child's natural death to abortion??

No. I'm comparing the ludicrous idea that an embryo or fetus can consent to how its remains will be handled, with the idea that an 18 month old can consent to how its remains will be handled upon its death.

It's silly to be outraged at the lack of consent of an embryo or a fetus!

wait you mean PP dont get the fetus to sign a consent form??...i thought it was the fetus! and the whole time its actually the mother

does it say on the fetal donation form that PP may or may not make a profit?

a reply to: windword

Abortion is legal, and a woman has the right to decide when and if she wants a family. If a woman chooses to abort, that legal and not immoral. If she wants to donate that aborted result, that is also her prerogative.

Try looking at it like this.

Slavery is legal, and a man has the right to decide when and if he wants slaves. If a man chooses to own, that is legal and not immoral. If he wants to donate/sell/whatever his slave(s), that is his prerogative.

That doesn't sound right to me, how about you?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If it was a danger to the mother or the child, the abortion WOULDNT be taking place at PP , It would be in an ER or Hospital facility.....

Since you are so familiar with the "medical field", then you would know that many women who have been given "Imminent death" or "incompatible with life" diagnosis on their wanted babies, would choose abort before their life IS actually at risk!

Many of those kinds of late term abortions are done at PP clinics.

She said it is a rare form of dwarfism. “Oh, so our baby will be a dwarf.” The air was so thick. Pointing at the first word she said “thanatophoric” means “imminent death”. WHAT?? What do you mean??? My head was screaming, even though the room was completely silent.

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She said that the hospital refers all abortions procedures to the Planned Parenthood’s health center where abortions are still available.

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Our counselor called with more had bad news. To comply with Wisconsin’s 24 hour waiting period law, I would be too far along to have the procedure at Planned Parenthood. She said there is a clinic in Chicago who could see me in a few days. If they assessed that the baby was too big, then I would have to go to Kansas.

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Friday morning, lying on my hotel bed, my partner and our moms all laid their hands on my belly. We said prayers. We said goodbye. Goodbye baby boy. Goodbye Evan.

Why I had a late term abortion

a reply to: kellyjay

wait you mean PP dont get the fetus to sign a consent form??

Tell to Burdman, and the others who are outraged that the fetus didn't consent to being donated to science!

a reply to: Lostinthedarkness
maybe we are talking about different laws then....
here's what I am talking about

At least 38 of the 50 states across America have introduced foetal homicide laws that were intended to protect pregnant women and their unborn children from violent attacks by third parties – usually abusive male partners – but are increasingly being turned by renegade prosecutors against the women themselves. South Carolina was one of the first states to introduce such a foetal homicide law. National Advocates for Pregnant Women has found only one case of a South Carolina man who assaulted a pregnant woman having been charged under its terms, and his conviction was eventually overturned. Yet the group estimates there have been up to 300 women arrested for their actions during pregnancy.


www.healthfreedoms.org...

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

A woman's eggs, whether they are fertilized or not, are hers, part of her body. Abortion is nothing remotely like salvery, it's more like evicting an unwelcome guest. Forcing women to abort or to carry an unwanted pregnancy, now that is slavery!

a reply to: windword

did you just link a random blog as your proof?

Well im glad your conclusive rebuttal involved a random blog compared to normal medical procedure........

Which is to refer the mother(in detriment) and expectant child (in detriment) to an ICU unit.........

Way to go

also you do know that less than 1% of all abortions are due to risk of life of the mother right?

originally posted by: windword
I'm comparing the ludicrous idea that an embryo or fetus can consent to how its remains will be handled, with the idea that an 18 month old can consent to how its remains will be handled upon its death.

One difference that comes to mind immediately and therefore makes your
comparison invalid: in the natural death of a young child, both parents
would have a legal right to make all decisions.

A law deems it to be a only woman's legal right to abort an
offspring of two people, it does not make it a moral thing to do so.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If it was a danger to the mother or the child, the abortion WOULDNT be taking place at PP , It would be in an ER or Hospital facility.....

Since you are so familiar with the "medical field", then you would know that many women who have been given "Imminent death" or "incompatible with life" diagnosis on their wanted babies, would choose abort before their life IS actually at risk!

Many of those kinds of late term abortions are done at PP clinics.

She said it is a rare form of dwarfism. “Oh, so our baby will be a dwarf.” The air was so thick. Pointing at the first word she said “thanatophoric” means “imminent death”. WHAT?? What do you mean??? My head was screaming, even though the room was completely silent.

..............

She said that the hospital refers all abortions procedures to the Planned Parenthood’s health center where abortions are still available.

..............

Our counselor called with more had bad news. To comply with Wisconsin’s 24 hour waiting period law, I would be too far along to have the procedure at Planned Parenthood. She said there is a clinic in Chicago who could see me in a few days. If they assessed that the baby was too big, then I would have to go to Kansas.

.............

Friday morning, lying on my hotel bed, my partner and our moms all laid their hands on my belly. We said prayers. We said goodbye. Goodbye baby boy. Goodbye Evan.

Why I had a late term abortion

can i just direct you to this part of your quote

Our counselor called with more had bad news. To comply with Wisconsin’s 24 hour waiting period law, I would be too far along to have the procedure at Planned Parenthood.

imminent death meant imminent death of the baby, that wouldnt be a risk to the mother, and if the baby died inside then a normal abortion would have been the result....so basically you just gave us one example of a woman who terminated her pregnancy because the baby was dying....no risk to her health and no risk to her dead baby

a reply to: kellyjay

Wow I missed that.......

Nice catch....

Again point proven even at that stage would have to have been done SOME WHERE ELSE

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: DenyObfuscation

A woman's eggs, whether they are fertilized or not, are hers, part of her body. Abortion is nothing remotely like salvery, it's more like evicting an unwelcome guest. Forcing women to abort or to carry an unwanted pregnancy, now that is slavery!

Your argument is that abortion is LEGAL. So was slavery. Does ''legal'' make something just?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

did you just link a random blog as your proof?

Yeah, that's right. I posted a woman's testimonial. You have a problem with her testimony? You're quick to accept disgruntled employees with agendas uncorroborated testimony.

You don't believe situations like that happen? Would you deny that woman an abortion? Would you prefer she waited until the distressed fetus caused her to go into septic shock?

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Look, you think abortion is immoral. I don't. Abortion doesn't equal slavery in any universe! Abortion represents freedom.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

did you just link a random blog as your proof?

Yeah, that's right. I posted a woman's testimonial. You have a problem with her testimony? You're quick to accept disgruntled employees with agendas uncorroborated testimony.

You don't believe situations like that happen? Would you deny that woman an abortion? Would you prefer she waited until the distressed fetus caused her to go into septic shock?

yes I do have a problem with a random blog stating something........

and yes I do take videos of people who WORK for planned parenthood stating things and explaining things in detail , FAR more in credit, than a random blog.......that, even so, btw proved my point.........

if you do not, then I question your objectivity

a reply to: windword

Wait lol so now youre trying to move the goalpost from what you were claiming earlier that PP mainly does abortions for mother or child in danger of death .... to "yeah ok youre right but would you prefer her to go into sepsis"

make up your mind either im right or im wrong.......

Seriously this argument is getting tired now

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: kellyjay

Wow I missed that.......

Nice catch....

Again point proven even at that stage would have to have been done SOME WHERE ELSE

planned parenthood can only do abortions up to 23 wks im sure which is 2nd trimester, no 3rd term abortions are carried out at pp even if the mothers life is at risk....that would be hospital referral so you are correct

originally posted by: Glinda


Same with "harvesting" FOR PROFIT via Planned Parenthood..."gee, if we can schedule her abortion TWO WEEKS from now, instead of tomorrow, think of the organs will get!" Never, ever discount human greed.

And, this is brings to mind the practice of "consulting" or "counseling" that
is provided with the practice of abortion at Planned Parenthood?

Are these so called consultants required to provided non biased objective
counseling? Are they trained to refrain from entering into the dollar equation?

a reply to: kellyjay

imminent death meant imminent death of the baby,

Yes. That's what I said.

Since you are so familiar with the "medical field", then you would know that many women who have been given "Imminent death" or "incompatible with life" diagnosis on their wanted babies, would choose abort before their life IS actually at risk!

so basically you just gave us one example of a woman who terminated her pregnancy because the baby was dying....no risk to her health and no risk to her dead baby

Your ignorance is astounding. Please go get a medical degree before you declare what is and what isn't a risky pregnancy!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Look, you think abortion is immoral. I don't. Abortion doesn't equal slavery in any universe! Abortion represents freedom.

.........Just wow.......Freedom huh.......

well im glad we established that moral standard.......

Enough said huh?

Well thank you for telling us all we need to know about your reasoning behind your perspective......

All your posts make sense now