Planned Parenthood is Not Selling Baby Parts, You @!#$ing Idiots

a reply to: ketsuko

Not to mention, of course we have instincts, but I always thought one of the major things that separated us from the animals was our ability to control them.

3 in 10 teen American girls will get pregnant at least once before age 20. That's nearly 750,000 teen pregnancies every year. Parenthood is the leading reason that teen girls drop out of school. More than 50% of teen mothers never graduate from high school.

Many of the pregnancies are by kids that attended very little school and have zero parenting, some I imagine have been molested since the rate of molestation is huge insest and rape. drugs and alcohol are often involved, it is not always about grown people making decisions.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: The GUT

Part of killing is dehumanizing the enemy in a war.
the same values these people call a parasite instead of a person.

Wow pretty weird equating it with enemies and war!

par·a·site
ˈperəˌsīt/
noun
an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

So you can't control your urges is what you're saying.

Ah spay and neuter....

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Left purely to instincts, most people will segregate, will respond to insult or offense by physically lashing out, will take any shiny thing they find attractive, will exceed the speed limit, will eat nothing but deserts, and will blurt out whatever is on their mind at any given time.

you just described 11-18 year olds.

a reply to: Char-Lee

I actually just described a lot of America, including many adults. My point was, calling something "an instinct" doesn't excuse those bad behaviors, so why should it provide any sort of excuse or special circumstance where sex is concerned?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Char-Lee

I actually just described a lot of America, including many adults. My point was, calling something "an instinct" doesn't excuse those bad behaviors, so why should it provide any sort of excuse or special circumstance where sex is concerned?

And my point is why combat that bad behavior by simply telling people not to do it?

Why not instead illustrate and teach people WHY it could have unintended consequences, and if you simply MUST do that behavior, how best to mitigate the risk of those consequences?

ETA: Not withstanding that you classify sex as bad behavior. How sad. Sex is beautiful.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

originally posted by: Dragoon01

The clinic then performs the abortion in a manner that allows them to maximize the remains that it will then SELL to third party labs for a high margin of profit.

Why is the women not informed that her fetal remains are SOLD? Why is the cost of her abortion not discounted?

I'm going bald from all the hair I'm pulling out. This "high margin of profit" is just to cover the overhead of storage and shipping. We're talking about biohazard waste. That is extremely expensive to discard, and even more so to keep or ship. And the women receiving the abortion do sign a form consenting to donation of tissues received. Just like you DONATE blood, DONATE bone marrow, DONATE a kidney, etc. Then whoever you DONATE to turns around and charges for the tissues/transplants whatever to cover their costs. If they discounted the abortion that would be SELLING on the woman's part, which is illegal.

No thats not what they are covering. If all they were doing is covering the overhead their upper level managers would not be talking about maximizing the profits off of the DONATION. Many people do not know that the blood they donate is going to be sold and if they did know they would stop donating. Again I have no issue with the company doing this. People have to earn a living. My issue is that its not made clear to the customer that is what is happening. My bigger issue is that while they are doing this they are whining about how they dont have enough money to survive and must have tax payer funding. Meanwhile their doctors are talking about buying sports cars with their earnings from the sales. I honestly have no issue with a women getting an abortion if she feels thats the route that needs to be taken.

The other problem here is that these people are in the business of selling human fetal tissue and because they are not making that clear and upfront they are carrying it out in a very distasteful manner. If they were up front about it they could do it with the dignity it deserves. Like funeral services.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Char-Lee

I actually just described a lot of America, including many adults. My point was, calling something "an instinct" doesn't excuse those bad behaviors, so why should it provide any sort of excuse or special circumstance where sex is concerned?

And my point is why combat that bad behavior by simply telling people not to do it?

Why not instead illustrate and teach people WHY it could have unintended consequences, and if you simply MUST do that behavior, how best to mitigate the risk of those consequences?

I'm not fighting against sex ed here. That said, I believe abstinence should be the building block of sex ed. It is, afterall, the only 100% proven contraception and STD preventative method.

ETA (covering your edited in point): Sex is beautiful. Teens having sex is NOT. It is bad behavior and it is STUPID behavior.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I really don't actually have a problem with teaching abstinence, I just have a problem with teaching abstinence ONLY.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I really don't actually have a problem with teaching abstinence, I just have a problem with teaching abstinence ONLY.

you talk a lot for an abstinent guy

I am Pro-Choice myself and have been for a long time. I also feel that research from fetal tissue, while sick, is better than the alternative.

But these videos have made me pause to think about my stances. There is a LOT of nefarious activity here and the new FOURTH video released topped the cake for me. There are people PROFITING from sale of parts, anyone who denies that by now is in denial or hasn't watched the videos.

This is a pulling back of the curtain and what I'm seeing is scary. I can't fathom a society where this is normal. These Planned Parenthood people are so heartless and cold about it that it's like they've become Mengele in the process.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I don't think teens having sex is bad behavior. Though I do agree it is pretty stupid. Hell, I had sex when I was a teen. Most teens do. And looking back on it yeah it was stupid, but I never had UNSAFE sex. I asked my mother to put me on the pill when I hit 16, and I always made sure he had a condom. Today, I still practice safe sex.

Sure, teach that abstinence is the only absolute 100% certain way to prevent pregnancies, but also remember that kids will be kids, and teach them that though no sex is 100% safe, there are ways to be as safe as possible.

a reply to: refined

Did you just do a virgin put down? I sure hope not, because I'm having trouble figuring out why someone would use a high school insult in a discussion forum... Plus, what makes you knowledgeable about my sex life?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: refined

Did you just do a virgin put down? I sure hope not, because I'm having trouble figuring out why someone would use a high school insult in a discussion forum... Plus, what makes you knowledgeable about my sex life?

you talk about it .. I like your replies ..it's a compliment

am in this thread from experience.. ur replies are the only sensible ones ..

all the rest I kind of want to throw up


lol virgin put down
not at all

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I really don't actually have a problem with teaching abstinence, I just have a problem with teaching abstinence ONLY.

We can agree here.

Both sides of this argument have done some incredibly dense, foolish things...

On one side, obviously teaching only abstinence is not effective because teenagers tend to make really bad choices at times. So yeah, you gotta teach about prophylactics and such.

On the other side, the shift over the past 15 years towards teaching sexual methodologies, positions, and specific acts to kids in sex ed class is asinine and very much offensive to many parents.

I took the class in high school in the mid 90s. We split the class into boys and girls. I have no idea what the girls were told or what they watched, but we boys got to see photos of herpes sores, a short animated film (probably from the 70s) about the high school football captain who knocked up a girl and saw his scholarship, athletic career, and freedom evaporate, and we were given a tutorial on condom usage and storage (don't keep it in your wallet!). To me, that wasn't a bad course, though it was a bit outdated.

originally posted by: refined

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: refined

Did you just do a virgin put down? I sure hope not, because I'm having trouble figuring out why someone would use a high school insult in a discussion forum... Plus, what makes you knowledgeable about my sex life?

you talk about it .. I like your replies ..it's a compliment

am in this thread from experience.. ur replies are the only sensible ones ..

all the rest I kind of want to throw up


lol virgin put down
not at all

Oh ok, carry on then lol. I guess I was confused by the way you were wording it. My bad.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
We can agree here.

Both sides of this argument have done some incredibly dense, foolish things...

Well that is always the case for any issue.

I took the class in high school in the mid 90s. We split the class into boys and girls. I have no idea what the girls were told or what they watched, but we boys got to see photos of herpes sores, a short animated film (probably from the 70s) about the high school football captain who knocked up a girl and saw his scholarship, athletic career, and freedom evaporate, and we were given a tutorial on condom usage and storage (don't keep it in your wallet!). To me, that wasn't a bad course, though it was a bit outdated.

I think I saw that same video... Though my education on condoms was very illuminating. Though my sex ed class DID teach abstinence. Also, the only times I was ever split into girl and boy groups was when I was given sex ed in elementary school. In high school, I sat right next to girls learning the same things. Oh but they DID require us to fill out a consent form that our parents had to sign to take the sex ed portion of the class (sex ed was added as a part of a general Health class).

originally posted by: links234
WARNING WARNING WARNING***ADULT LANGUAGE INSIDE***WARNING WARNING WARNING

Via skepchick.org

3% of all Planned Parenthood’s activities are abortions, and more than 90% of those are in the first trimester when it’s about size of a kidney bean, so they do see some pieces of fetal tissue. Which are just going to be thrown away in the garbage, but which the patient can instead choose to donate to important medical research.

This is more or less the exact train of thought I had when I heard about the first video being released. Moreover, the anti-choice side of the argument is going back to their roots using the 'ick factor.' I'm sure you've seen them, the protest signs with what appear to be aborted fetuses. Now they've come to the digital age with video and well-edited commentary.

They're playing on the 'ick factor,' if you get squeamish at the sight of blood or the thought of medical procedures then you're the crowd they're looking for.

So they h ave human organs, but aren't humans. Gottcha!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Here we agree. We don't need kids learning about sex positions and whatnot in school, though it could be argued that teaching teens ALTERNATIVES to vaginal sex is pretty valuable. You can't get pregnant from oral sex, after all.