Planned Parenthood is Not Selling Baby Parts, You @!#$ing Idiots

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: links234

Why isn't this all covered by Obamacare to begin with?

Why even have a "Planned parenthood" if everything they do is the same as Obamacare coverage?

Obmamacare doesn't actually provide healthcare, it's a government imposed requirement to purchase insurance. There were multiple times in my life where I had insurance coverage but went to a PP instead of my regular OBGYN because 1. they can see you same day 2. even with insurance, PP is usually cheaper...without insurance you're looking at $60 at PP compared to AT LEAST $140 with a regular doc

And no, I'm not talking about abortions, I'm talking about the other 97% of their services.

Of all the anti PP'ers I have yet to see one person trying to provide an alternative.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Right, and as I posted several pages back at least 15 states have laws prohibiting an ACA (Obamacare) health plan covering abortions.

So, if you are low income and on Obamacare, your plan may or may not cover an abortion depending on your state. If you can't afford the ACA deductible, then it doesn't matter anyway.

So, go ahead and add another human life onto the welfare program -- you're damned if you do and damned if you don't according to the wight-wing fanatics.

Abortion bad!
Having a kid on welfare, your a mooch!
Providing free contraceptives? Bad!
Giving comprehensive sex-ed in school? Bad!

So basically, not only are conservatives wanting people to have babies they can't afford (and then knocking them for going on public assistance later) -- they also don't believe in providing contraceptives or proper sex education to help reduce unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

Because, you know, sex is icky and shameful, mmm'kay?

a reply to: Dragoon01

Why is the women not informed that her fetal remains are SOLD? Why is the cost of her abortion not discounted?

planned parenthood does zero cost and pay per income basis I believe.
It seems very like blood donors who think the person who needs blood will receive it as freely as they gave it but in reality the blood is sold for hundreds per pint.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: Metallicus
Calling people 'bleeping idiots' is a classy move. I am pro-choice, but I still think abortion is murder.

I thought I was the only weirdo with that opinion.
I don't feel nearly so alone.
God I love ATS!

I also feel the same after a certain stage of the development.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: OptimisticCynic

Killing a person is murder.

Aborting a fetus is not.

Man, I'm glad we cleared THAT up! I almost thought you had the wrong idea or something!

So a human fetus is not human? What is it a voltzwagon?



You just agreed w comparing a tumor to a human offspring in utero

There is obviously no way to have an intelligent conversation about this subject, when someone can draw a parallel like that

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: The GUT


There's that "it" again. It's like that sociopath in the movie screaming, "It must put on its lotion" in preparation for some skin harvesting.

Oh the *MELODRAMA*!! .....

Exactly the reaction the makers of the heavily edited videos

are aiming for....



Those that don't believe in abortions, DONT HAVE ONE but keep your

opinions to yourself, and

shoving your views and opinions down every

one else's throat.

They're not shoving their opinions up people's throats....they're shoving them up their vaginas. Get it straight!

a reply to: links234

I have lost a 5 week pregnancy by being bashed

Know girls who have chosen abortion

It is traumatizing and the most horrid experience female can have in her life.. loosing her baby

I truly can not imagine any female being in the right frame of mind at that point to make any decision

I had to have the fetus removed

I was alone and in excruciating pain and just no words basically

if anyone asked me what do I want to do and to give an answer there is no way I would ever give you one

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic
a reply to: Char-Lee

Wait so killing a person isn't murder?

Someone. Should tell the court system we've been wrong!

There you go again....some of us do not see a clump of brainless cells as a person.

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic
So a human fetus is not human?

Not entirely and not according to the law.

What is it a voltzwagon?

A company that sells cars.

You just agreed w comparing a tumor to a human offspring in utero

There is obviously no way to have an intelligent conversation about this subject, when someone can draw a parallel like that

Sure there is, you just don't want to attempt it because you let your emotions get in the way of the discussion.

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: OptimisticCynic

Killing a person is murder.

Aborting a fetus is not.

Man, I'm glad we cleared THAT up! I almost thought you had the wrong idea or something!

So a human fetus is not human? What is it a voltzwagon?



You just agreed w comparing a tumor to a human offspring in utero

There is obviously no way to have an intelligent conversation about this subject, when someone can draw a parallel like that

Did I say a human fetus isn't human?

I said aborting a fetus isn't murder. I never made claim to the status the fetus. You did.

I also never compared a tumor to a fetus. You made that comparison just now.

And you want to talk of "intelligent conversation"? Come back when you stop stuffing in words in my mouth and acting offended when you pull them back out, sweetheart.

originally posted by: Dragoon01

The clinic then performs the abortion in a manner that allows them to maximize the remains that it will then SELL to third party labs for a high margin of profit.

Why is the women not informed that her fetal remains are SOLD? Why is the cost of her abortion not discounted?

I'm going bald from all the hair I'm pulling out. This "high margin of profit" is just to cover the overhead of storage and shipping. We're talking about biohazard waste. That is extremely expensive to discard, and even more so to keep or ship. And the women receiving the abortion do sign a form consenting to donation of tissues received. Just like you DONATE blood, DONATE bone marrow, DONATE a kidney, etc. Then whoever you DONATE to turns around and charges for the tissues/transplants whatever to cover their costs. If they discounted the abortion that would be SELLING on the woman's part, which is illegal.

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic
a reply to: Char-Lee

Wait so killing a person isn't murder?

Someone. Should tell the court system we've been wrong!

There you go again....some of us do not see a clump of brainless cells as a person.

Those parts in that dish had hands feet and legs. And clearly had a brain because it was part of the negotiation on acquiring the brain


Nice try though

Maybe watch the videos before spouting nonsense like you're and authority on what's inside them

If you had you'd know all this

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: OptimisticCynic

Killing a person is murder.
Aborting a fetus is not.
Man, I'm glad we cleared THAT up! I almost thought you had the wrong idea or something!

So a human fetus is not human? What is it a voltzwagon?
You just agreed w comparing a tumor to a human offspring in utero
There is obviously no way to have an intelligent conversation about this subject, when someone can draw a parallel like that

Intelligence tells me this is not a person!

4 weeks: The embryo is now about 1/5" long. It looks something like a tadpole. The structure that will develop into a head is visible, as is a noticeable tail. The embryo has structures like the gills of a fish in the area that will later develop into a throat.

www.religioustolerance.org...

Without a BRAIN a clump of any shape is still only cells.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun



Lol your post just last page in response to the tumor comment was clearly in line w the posters thinking as your reply was

Be as disengenious as you want

Human fetus is human.

Hell in pro choice and this whole thing is barbaric

Want to talk intelligence?

Trying to claim they aren't doing this in light of the lengthy videos available is the epitome of NOT using intellect

a reply to: Char-Lee

Again you apparently didn't watch any of the videos. Because it's abundantly clear when they actually talk about salvaging the brain

You keep ignoring facts in order to placate your belief system


I'm pro choice up to a certain stage

But this is ghoulish and so is anyone who doesn't see anything wrong w it

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic
a reply to: Char-Lee

Wait so killing a person isn't murder?
Someone. Should tell the court system we've been wrong!

There you go again....some of us do not see a clump of brainless cells as a person.

Those parts in that dish had hands feet and legs. And clearly had a brain because it was part of the negotiation on acquiring the brain
Nice try though

Maybe watch the videos before spouting nonsense like you're and authority on what's inside them

If you had you'd know all this

i just hope you are as angry over all of the suffering and starving children in this world.

13 weeks or 3 months: The fetus is about 3 inches long and weighs about an ounce. Fingernails and bones can be seen. Over 90% of all abortions are performed before this stage, before the fetus has become sentient and therefore before it is conscious. 2,9

I agree that at this stage it is a person and unless it is life or death for the Mother should not be aborted, but this is MY belief and others may not feel this way, they may not believe this is a person until it could live on its own outside the womb.
www.religioustolerance.org...

In my opinion all creatures deserve the same as a human why is it ok to eat veal for instance, the human aborted never had to suffer.

a reply to: links234

Awesome post, S&F!

Thank you so much for posting this. Most of the people who believe the crap that has been going around are not the brightest bulbs.

Good to see the TRUTH and actual FACTS.

originally posted by: OptimisticCynic
a reply to: Char-Lee

Again you apparently didn't watch any of the videos. Because it's abundantly clear when they actually talk about salvaging the brain
You keep ignoring facts in order to placate your belief system
I'm pro choice up to a certain stage
But this is ghoulish and so is anyone who doesn't see anything wrong w it

I will not watch because it is invalid in origin.

a reply to: OptimisticCynic

Lol your post just last page in response to the tumor comment was clearly in line w the posters thinking as your reply was

Show me the line where I said "A fetus is like a tumor", please. Thanks.

I'm not the one being disingenuous. I've stated my opinions clearly, and without room for interpretation.

I agree, a human fetus is a human.

But aborting that fetus is not illegal. That is the law. It's very clear on it what abortion is, and it doesn't say "murder" anywhere in the law.

If all you have to debate with is "Claiming they aren't murdering people is not using intellect", your argument is doomed to fail before it even begins.

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Nyiah
...At least it's being put to good use in furthering research that can help others. Instead of, you know, rotting or being incinerated & thus being a complete & total waste entirely.

There's that "it" again. It's like that sociopath in the movie screaming, "It must put on its lotion" in preparation for some skin harvesting.

Off topic, but THAT'S why he wanted her to put on lotion??? Mind blown, I never caught that.