Flat Earth Believers, I would like to hear your ideas.

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth

3) Perspective on Geocentric flat Earth would make stars appear in different positions based on the distance one moves away from their path over motionless Earth.

motionless earth huh?? so the sun really is being pulled by a horse and chariot??

oh and if its a perceived motion due to the distance one moves away from their path, why doesnt polaris move???

and if the earth is motionless why can someone setup a camera on a tripod (stationary camera) and use long term exposure of stars and get the stars to streak in a circular path??? clearly the camera isnt
moving and neither is the earth (as you claimed) but you also claimed that it should be the camera that needs to move inorder to see the stars move..

For crying out loud, its perspective and atmosphere.
Why are you all using none physical data and applying it to the physical world?

I have been in planes, and mountains, there is no curvature.

Who told you that the lights in the sky are spheroid planets? And what is that theory based on?

originally posted by: NNN87

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth

3) Perspective on Geocentric flat Earth would make stars appear in different positions based on the distance one moves away from their path over motionless Earth.

motionless earth huh?? so the sun really is being pulled by a horse and chariot??

oh and if its a perceived motion due to the distance one moves away from their path, why doesnt polaris move???

and if the earth is motionless why can someone setup a camera on a tripod (stationary camera) and use long term exposure of stars and get the stars to streak in a circular path??? clearly the camera isnt
moving and neither is the earth (as you claimed) but you also claimed that it should be the camera that needs to move inorder to see the stars move..

For crying out loud, its perspective and atmosphere.
Why are you all using none physical data and applying it to the physical world?

I have been in planes, and mountains, there is no curvature.

Who told you that the lights in the sky are spheroid planets? And what is that theory based on?

I have a telescope. I can see Venus on a clear night, along with Jupiter and its four main moons. They have phases, a bit like the moon, depending on where they are in their orbit about the Sun (which is also round). Come to think of it, I can see that the Earth is round just by observing a lunar eclipse.
One final point. If the Earth is flat than why do we have time zones?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Given the fact that all the other planets in this small and very boring area of the universe are globes (please use the correct word) and basic observational experiments also lead to the conclusion that we are also on the globe.

Nice logical fallacy. Just because you're looking at balls doesn't mean you are on one.I can also say that there is no life on those balls, but here on Earth there is life, therefore, we are not on a ball.

Other basic observational experiments show the opposite. And a lot of it is from a ball Earth view, based on science based on ball Earth assumptions.

I find your posts to be, frankly, risible. Why are you flogging a dead horse?

There will be a resurrection.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

One final point. If the Earth is flat than why do we have time zones?

What you mean why there is day and night on flat Earth?

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Given the fact that all the other planets in this small and very boring area of the universe are globes (please use the correct word) and basic observational experiments also lead to the conclusion that we are also on the globe.

Nice logical fallacy. Just because you're looking at balls doesn't mean you are on one.I can also say that there is no life on those balls, but here on Earth there is life, therefore, we are not on a ball.

Other basic observational experiments show the opposite. And a lot of it is from a ball Earth view, based on science based on ball Earth assumptions.

I find your posts to be, frankly, risible. Why are you flogging a dead horse?

There will be a resurrection.

No, it's still very dead.

EDIT: Sorry about that, wrong link for some reason. Corrected.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

One final point. If the Earth is flat than why do we have time zones?

What you mean why there is day and night on flat Earth?

No, as in why is it that Dawn in New York this morning did not happen at the same time as Dawn in London?

originally posted by: NNN87

For crying out loud, its perspective and atmosphere.
Why are you all using none physical data and applying it to the physical world?

I have been in planes, and mountains, there is no curvature.

you are shouting perspective and atmosphere like im supposed to read your mind??

what perspective and atmosphere.. you should be able to show me..

how did ships navigate by sextants???

the latitudes they used would give their position according to a spheroid earth, but if we used those latitudes now on your flat earth we would be several hundred miles off course..

and how far away are these stars?? how far away is the sun?

Who told you that the lights in the sky are spheroid planets? And what is that theory based on?

more importantly who told you it wasnt?? and i suppose that theory is based on a flat earth supported by giant elephants and a giant turtle??

talking about lights in the sky.. what is illuminating the moon?? is it generating its own light or is it reflecting sunlight??
is the sun and moon always opposite each other??
how about moon phases? half moon full moon crescent moon how are any of that possible?? lunar eclipse solar eclipse??

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Because they are not in the same location and the sun is moving. I mean, duh.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Because they are not in the same location and the sun is moving. I mean, duh.

thats to suggest that the sun is actually quite close to earth??? and the light can only be visible upto a certain distance??

a reply to: choos

Yep. Is this your first encounter with this theory?

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

You need to review basic geometry.

If the Earth was flat, the rising sun would appear at the same angle no mater how far you are from it.

However, because the surface of the Earth is curved due to being a spheroid, the angle will be different depending upon where you are and the time.

Basic geometry.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: choos

Yep. Is this your first encounter with this theory?

and how far is the sun?? and how far does light actually travel??

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Because they are not in the same location and the sun is moving. I mean, duh.

So you're saying that light is quite slow then? Because there's a five hour time difference between London and New York. Besides, if the Earth is flat then dawn will be a universal one - all points will see the Sun rise at the same time. That's because everything is flat. And yet we see the opposite. Time Zones! This is a simple concept.
(Duh!)

a reply to: choos

I don't know but you should see footage of the "setting" sun and how it takes the last light with it.

If the sun were a small object that is very close to us with a flat Earth, it's apparent size would change.

It would look much larger to those closer to the Earth's "edge".

This is basic optics when it comes to celestial bodies.

Our sun is over 880,000 miles wide, averaging 93 million miles away. Due to it's size and the distance, it's apparent size doesn't change because we spin here on the Earth and we orbit the sun.

For a fact anyone can go out and buy a decent telescope and look at planets like Mars and Jupiter. You can actually see them rotating, with surface features coming back after their rotational time period.

You can do the same with the sun, using a solar filter on the telescope. You can watch the sun spots rotate across as it spins on it's axis.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: choos

I don't know but you should see footage of the "setting" sun and how it takes the last light with it.

at what distance does the sun need to be for the light to disappear?????? you should know this if you were so convinced of this theory... surely you are not just taking someones word for it with out any evidence???

i shouldnt hear any "i dont know" from Flat earthers.. because clearly you have decided that a flat earth is truth, therefore you should have sufficient evidence to prove everything to convince me also.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

As always the concept of perspective is completely ignored. And the fact that the atmosphere is not really transparent across larger distances over the surface

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

That will not change it's angle.

Again: you're forgetting basic geometry.

A rising and setting sun would appear at the same angle for everyone at the same time on a flat Earth.

This isn't true.

a reply to: choos

i shouldnt hear any "i dont know" from Flat earthers..

Flat Earth is not the accepted model, we shouldn't hear it from Ball Earthers.

We don't have all the answers yet, but the Heliocentric model is not working either.