Flat Earth Believers, I would like to hear your ideas.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Oh and - Seasons?

CONCENTRIC SUN PATH.

You're either missing my point or trying to avoid it.

You are missing the point. The sun goes in a circle over the flat plane. At one point it goes far enough to be obscured by the perspective horizon from whatever location.

thats impossible for that to happen the sun needs to be atleast several hundred thousand km away for it to even appear close to the horizon and by then given the limited range of sunlight it would have long disappeared in the sky.

a reply to: choos

thats impossible for that to happen the sun needs to be atleast several hundred thousand km away for it to even appear close to the horizon

Based on what? 2d geometry?

Not sure what you mean to say.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: choos

thats impossible for that to happen the sun needs to be atleast several hundred thousand km away for it to even appear close to the horizon

Based on what? 2d geometry?

no, 3d geometry

but fact remains, the range of sunlight will fade away long before the sun even gets close to the horizon.. the sun is simply not far enough away according to flat earth beliefs..

a reply to: choos

no, 3d geometry

Is this 2d geometry that has been adjusted for perspective? Any literature on this?

but fact remains, the range of sunlight will fade away long before the sun even gets close to the horizon.. the sun is simply not far enough away according to flat earth beliefs..

Who says what?

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Oh and - Seasons?

CONCENTRIC SUN PATH.

You're either missing my point or trying to avoid it.

You are missing the point. The sun goes in a circle over the flat plane. At one point it goes far enough to be obscured by the perspective horizon from whatever location.

It... goes in a circle? The geometry is all wrong for that! How large is the Sun in this ludicrous model you've made up? How far away is it from the surface of the Earth? Are you saying that it bring light to the Northern hemisphere and then goes away to light up the Southern hemisphere? Are you saying that it wobbles about a lot every year, making the Seasons? Why would it wobble? Is it on an invisible rail? Is it magic?
Please continue, this is all very amusing and about a scientifically credible as a chocolate hammer.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It... goes in a circle? The geometry is all wrong for that!

It is? But the spinning ball Earth would also have it make a circle, relative motion remember.

ow large is the Sun in this ludicrous model you've made up? How far away is it from the surface of the Earth?

I can't say at this moment.

Is it magic?

Like gravity and all the movements of the Earth, the solar system, the Galaxy?


Anyway, I would certainly say it was created.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth

Is this 2d geometry that has been adjusted for perspective? Any literature on this?

ofcourse there is, look up any text on the coordinate system.

Who says what?

says you flat earthers.. all im doing is applying your ideas into maths to see if it makes any sense.. but it doesnt.. at all..

i dont know how you can still support the idea of flat earth, when all it took you to move away from "ball earth" was that some things were MAYBE wrong about gravity.

actually which part of gravity is wrong precisely???

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It... goes in a circle? The geometry is all wrong for that!

It is? But the spinning ball Earth would also have it make a circle, relative motion remember.

ow large is the Sun in this ludicrous model you've made up? How far away is it from the surface of the Earth?

I can't say at this moment.

Is it magic?

Like gravity and all the movements of the Earth, the solar system, the Galaxy?


Anyway, I would certainly say it was created.

You keep mentioning 'spinning ball Earth' as if it's ridiculous. It's not. It explains gravity, the existence of the atmosphere, the Seasons, plate tectonics, volcanoes, night, day, the length of the year, the existence of the moon... where would you like me to stop?
Plus our planetary neighbours are all round and not flat. Every one of them. And from we observe about his world, we too are round. There's no proof whatsoever for a flat Earth.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It explains gravity

Gravity is unexplained, and it is "supported" by contradictions.

Why do you say gravity is caused by the spinning Earth.

a reply to: choos

ofcourse there is, look up any text on the coordinate system.

This has nothing to do with perspective and apparent position of sky objects relative to the horizon.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It explains gravity

Gravity is unexplained, and it is "supported" by contradictions.

Why do you say gravity is caused by the spinning Earth.

Thank you for proving that you either know nothing about this or are trolling us. Gravity is not caused by the rotation of the Earth. If the Earth stopped spinning tomorrow we wouldn't fly off it. Gravity is something explained by mass. It's not unexplained.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It explains gravity

Gravity is unexplained, and it is "supported" by contradictions.

Why do you say gravity is caused by the spinning Earth.

what contradictions?? please elaborate.. please educate us..

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It explains gravity

Gravity is unexplained, and it is "supported" by contradictions.

Why do you say gravity is caused by the spinning Earth.

Thank you for proving that you either know nothing about this or are trolling us. Gravity is not caused by the rotation of the Earth. If the Earth stopped spinning tomorrow we wouldn't fly off it. Gravity is something explained by mass. It's not unexplained.

You said it was caused by rotation of the Earth......

You keep mentioning 'spinning ball Earth' as if it's ridiculous. It's not. It explains gravity,

I asked you why you said this.


And no, gravity has not been explained, only described.

a reply to: choos

what contradictions??

Like pendulums not being affected by it while at the same time the spinning ball requires gravity to pull everything not only down but also in the direction of rotation.

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

Gravity is due to an object's mass.

Not it's "spin".

Basic physics.

a reply to: eriktheawful

I didn't say it was due to spin.....

Basic unexplained physics.

So mass causes gravity you say?

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: choos

what contradictions??

Like pendulums not being affected by it while at the same time the spinning ball requires gravity to pull everything not only down but also in the direction of rotation.

pendulums is not affected by gravity???? who told you that??
you know that gravity is an integral part of how a pendulum works right? there is absolutely no contradiction in gravity with pendulums.. if there was pendulums would not work.

and what is this gravity of a spinning ball in the direction of rotation??? are you talking about centrifugal/centripetal forces??

if you genuinely think that these two things are what is wrong with gravity you seriously need to relook at it.. because clearly you dont have a clue..

a reply to: choos

pendulums is not affected by gravity???? who told you that??

Not affected by rotation and gravity supposedly pulling into the direction of rotation that is.

The principle of the precious Foucault Pendulum is that the pendulum swings independantly from the rotating Earth, keeping its original orientation, while the Earth, with the base of the pendulum, move, causing an apparant deviation.

This is not the principle?

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

Objects with mass have gravity. The larger the mass, the higher the gravitational acceleration.

It's why things weigh less on the Moon, Mars, Mercury, etc.

The further away you get from the object, the less the gravitational acceleration will be.

You can calculate it's force with this expression:

F = G (m1 * m2)/r^2

Where F is the force, G is the gravitational constant, m1 and m2 are the mass of each body, and r is the radius between the two centers of each mass.

a reply to: choos

and what is this gravity of a spinning ball in the direction of rotation??? are you talking about centrifugal/centripetal forces??

You tell me. This force is claimed by Ball Earthers. It's the only way planes can land on north/south facing runways, it seems.