Flat Earth Believers, I would like to hear your ideas.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Not it will not, because you can only see a certain distance, because of the factors you just ignored, again.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: choos

i shouldnt hear any "i dont know" from Flat earthers..

Flat Earth is not the accepted model, we shouldn't hear it from Ball Earthers.

We don't have all the answers yet, but the Heliocentric model is not working either.

is it to you though, the flat earth theory is truth according to you..
even though flat earth theory has a huge amount of flaws and "ball earth" theory doesnt why do you choose the one with more flaws??

you still havent answered me, how far is the sun??

a reply to: eriktheawful

If the sun were a small object that is very close to us with a flat Earth, it's apparent size would change.

It apparant size does change during the day.

It would look much larger to those closer to the Earth's "edge".

Noone says it circles the edge.

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

Okay, assume what you said was true: that means that all the places on the Earth located near it's "center" would never see the sun rise or set.

You can't have it both ways.

A something at the edge of a flat surface will have the same angle anywhere on the flat surface.

You are denying basic geometry.

You are the one ignoring something.

a reply to: choos

I am not trying to prove Flat Earth, I am disproving spinning flying ball Earth. It has huge problems. Gravity doesn't even work.

I don't know how far the sun is.

Do you know how gravity works?

a reply to: eriktheawful

Okay, assume what you said was true: that means that all the places on the Earth located near it's "center" would never see the sun rise or set.

Once more, you can only see a certain distance and segment of the sky due to perspective.

You are denying basic geometry.

Geometry is a 2d method and you are applying it to the 3d world, ignoring perspective.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: choos

I am not trying to prove Flat Earth, I am disproving spinning flying ball Earth. It has huge problems. Gravity doesn't even work.

I don't know how far the sun is.

Do you know how gravity works?

ah so because you think gravity doesnt work.. then that means that the sun somehow floating above a flat earth makes more sense....

thats all the evidence you need to know that flat earth is more true than "ball earth"

The thing that is even more hilarious is: they are lying to us!

Who? And why?

NASA screams the Flat Earther.

Okay, so what about China? Russia? ESA? India....they sent a probe to Mars. Even the N. Koreans have put stuff in orbit.

Why would anyone lie about the shape of the Earth? Why would anyone lie about the distances of celestial objects in they sky and their size?

It's not like only a select few individuals at any given time can learn the math and physics involved. Anyone can. It's not like only a select few can own telescopes and look with their own eyes. Anyone can.

But what no one can seem to explain is: Why would people be lying about it for centuries?

If the Earth were truly flat, this would be a very well known thing. Instead, the evidence was overwhelmingly apparent that it's indeed curved.

Then with space flight, the curve and shape of the Earth went beyond doubt. Orbital mechanics can not work with a flat Earth.

But when this is presented, the Flat Earther will yell: LIES! They are lying to you.

And of course they can only utter: NASA NASA NASA NASA NASA. ....seeming to forget that there are plenty of other nations with space programs other than NASA who have no reason to continue any sort of "lie".

So again: why are we being lied to? How is it that every nation on the Earth that has a space program is somehow lying too, and faking their images of the Earth?

Explain the Coriolis Effect please. Can't have that with a flat Earth. You need a spinning ball for that to work....and work it does.

I knew there was a good reason that we normally put threads on this subject in the LOL forum.......

a reply to: eriktheawful

calm down there buddy

it's just internet chatter

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

We can keep this up all day if you want.

I'm not ignoring perspective.

Simple fact: An object located at the edge of a flat surface will have the same angle for any point located in the plane.

What part of that do you not understand?

If the object is at 1 degrees in altitude at 5 miles....it will still have 1 degrees of altitude at 3000 miles on a flat Earth.

You can scream the word perspective all you want. It still won't change that basic fact of geometry (both 2d and 3d).

a reply to: eriktheawful

No 2d geometry does not apply to 3d world dealing with perspective. You can ignore it all you want.

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

Dude......an angle of an object follows the same rules in 3D as it does in 2D.

Seriously. If it didn't, would be very difficult to build things, like houses, sky scrapers, bridges, etc.

The only thing that changes with distance is apparent size of the object.

You seriously need to review geometry. You do not have to take my word for it. Plenty of online forums where math people hang out. Ask them.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Seriously. If it didn't, would be very difficult to build things, like houses, sky scrapers, bridges, etc.

Nope, this is usually within the distance to the perspective horizon. The deviation begins past that horizon.

You seriously need to review geometry.

You seriously need to review perspective and how it affects your reality.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: eriktheawful

Seriously. If it didn't, would be very difficult to build things, like houses, sky scrapers, bridges, etc.

Nope, this is usually within the distance to the perspective horizon. The deviation begins past that horizon.

flat earth has no horizon... only an edge..

also does this mean now that since you have found a flaw in Flat Earth you need to disprove flat earth as well as disprove "ball earth"?? what does that leave??

a reply to: choos

A flat plane has a horizon caused by perspective. It's not even up for debate.

a reply to: TheFaceOfTheEarth

Would you therefore mind telling me where the Sun goes after it sets beyond the far end of this flat plane? Because the last time I checked the Sun is always shining somewhere on Earth, even when it's night in one place. And what explains the seasons?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Concentric sun path.

Again, or still, perspective. You can't look past a certain point even if the light could reach you across that distance.

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: choos

A flat plane has a horizon caused by perspective. It's not even up for debate.

but the sun never gets close to the horizon.. its only 6000 or so km above the earths surface right??? it takes 24hours for the sun to travel along the flat earth equator, and the distance around the equator is about 40000km.. so the sun is travelling at about 1666km/hr..

we get about 12 hours of sunlight, so visible light is visible about 20000km since we are in the centre visible light is only about 10000km..

assuming that the sun is about 8000 km above earth, and it is travelling at about 1666km/hr the sun will travel about 12000km in the sky of your flat earth..

if its travelling at 1666km/hr thats about 7 hours of sunlight.. not the 12 its supposed to have??!?! maths is wrong on your flat earth..

not to mention the angle the sun will be at when it disappears will still be about 53 degrees above the horizon......

again your flat earth fails in maths.. why do you still vouch for it.. you should be trying to disprove flat earth even more vehemently than you do trying to disprove "ball earth"

originally posted by: TheFaceOfTheEarth
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Concentric sun path.

Again, or still, perspective. You can't look past a certain point even if the light could reach you across that distance.

You're either missing my point or trying to avoid it. Any path of the Sun across any plane, no matter how 'concentric' (???? do you know what that word means??? Because otherwise you have the Sun looping the loop in the sky, which people would tend to notice) would eventually lead it to the end of that plane, where it would 'set'. Where does it then go to, given the fact that it has to then 'rise' on the other side of the plane a nanosecond later.
Oh and - Seasons?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Oh and - Seasons?

CONCENTRIC SUN PATH.

You're either missing my point or trying to avoid it.

You are missing the point. The sun goes in a circle over the flat plane. At one point it goes far enough to be obscured by the perspective horizon from whatever location.