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However, do you have a transgender acceptance radar?
So Homophobe and Transphobe is a good thing and not a negative connotation , got it
So has hermaphrodite.
Sure , if that makes you feel better. It couldn't be possibly that i had lost interest with your post and decided to not reply to each and every point which sounded rather irrelevant to what I said.
The sufferer of the illness is. They have a responsibility to get any mental illness they have which might impact other people treated.
Should the Trans/Intersex people disclose? Well most Intersex people do not know they are Intersex!
And as for Transgender people why would the onus be on them to disclose? Doesn't every person Cis and Trans alike deserve to know if the person they are considering sleeping with is a Transphobe? Should not the Transphobe disclose their potential issue long before the potential-trans/potential-Intersex person even considers whether or not to disclose their personal medical history if they even know it?
So more people are likely to be upset that they slept with a transphobe
it is the transphobe who has the obligation to disclose
So the Transperson doesn't need to disclose, the transphobes do
Agreed but who are you suggesting that has the mental illness? Are you saying that the person born with a male body but feels like a women, is suffering from mental illness? Or are you suggesting that a man that doesn't want to have sex with a women who was once a man suffering from mental illness? Or are you suggesting that a women that doesn't want to have sex with a man who was once a woman suffering from mental illness?
How is this relevant. If the intersex person isn't aware , how could they be held accountable. The transgender is aware of both the truth and the POTENTIAL impact to others.
Society has disclosed their potential issue , or are you saying that society has embraced Transgender people? If so than whats with all this transgender talk?
So better reason to be honest and upfront about it and ask the person they are about to have sex if they are a transphobe. Chances are they are transphobe , by how society has treated the transgender community.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Bayne
Its a fact that a lot of babies with indeterminate gender, were tidied up at the hospital very soon after birth. Its far more common than most people would realise. Socio sexual roles, are purely a matter of personal comfort, and conditioning. Why should anyone have to disclose , their personal history of any medical procedure once the result has been finalised , to the subjects satisfaction?. As far as entering a long term relationship goes, it would be enough to state, that having a natural birth is out of the question, as it is for many naturally born females.
originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: interupt42
Great Cthulhu, this thread became a wreck. I'll have some of that coffee now.
What upsets you more, that someone you dated might have been born with a girls brain and always was a girl on the inside but may have had their body changed so it matched who they really were or that they were born with a girls body but was a guy on the inside the whole time?
originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Pinke
There is actually a debate within various schools of feminism as to whether transsexuals are welcome or not.
That blows my mind. The amount of schisms present in the Feminist movement are impressive. For a group of people seeking acceptance and equality, they (some) sure do spend a lot of time debating who merits speaking in their presence.
Luckily, people are moving away from that, and Egalitarianism is slowly becoming the norm.
originally posted by: Pinke
originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Pinke
There is actually a debate within various schools of feminism as to whether transsexuals are welcome or not.
That blows my mind. The amount of schisms present in the Feminist movement are impressive. For a group of people seeking acceptance and equality, they (some) sure do spend a lot of time debating who merits speaking in their presence.
Luckily, people are moving away from that, and Egalitarianism is slowly becoming the norm.
I don't want to labor on it, because it'll be moving towards off-topic buuuuuuut ...
It's not that surprising really. Any group once it gets enough momentum to enact social change falls in on itself and splinters into new groups to an extent, even small ones. Atheists have been doing it over the last few decades. Found out recently the 'Men's Rights Movement' has some left / right split going on. Various forms of Marxism fell out a long time ago. Even professionals like psychologists have splits.
It'll happen to any forms of Egalitarianism as soon as the group gets large enough. Different branches form over each complex issue etc ... Then you'll have Soft Egalitarianism, Meritocracy Based Egalitarianism, Kantian Egalitarianism ... etc etc etc haha
Another thing to realize is that your community has not been well represented.
It has nothing to do with me or my fears. I have no concern for what you do nor any concern that I will be with a transgender as I'm married and have been married for over 16 years.
1. You are aware that society has not fully accepted transgenders or even understand transgenders .
2. You are aware that the majority of society still views you as being the sex you were born with , regardless how awesome the surgery came out or the science behind it.
3. You had time to cope with coming to terms with being transgenders.
4. Whether you like it or not and regardless of whether it is right or wrong the fact is, that their are plenty of people out their that would have a difficult time coping with such circumstances.
Yet, from what I'm seeing here, the transgender community could care less about hurting others and are only concerned with their feelings and emotions.
I find that irresponsible and equally selfish as the hompobes you like to ridicule so much.
I have answered all the irrelevant questions you guys have posted but not one of you has answered mine: If you are aware that many people would have a hard time dealing with the truth after sexual contact and you ignore that , how is that not irresponsible or selfish? That logic applies to everyone NOT just transgenders, so why should you be exempt from common courtesy or the caring of others?