Shot fired by security guard at public meeting after his assault repelled by citizen (must see)

I spent a lot of time with this story tonight. It is a heck of an item. Goes to show what average people are up against with even local govt. Believe me, there simply is no legal mechanism to check these psychos-in-power, they get away with taking out their petty whims on whomever crosses their path. It takes an extreme act like this to move the blocks.

Many people incur problems with simple paperwork type interactions, like requesting a document, and get stonewalled. They give up. This guy didn't.

a reply to: FlyingFox

This guy attacked the security guard.

I agree the security guard was over stepping, but turning around and wailing into him is not the answer.

The only psycho I saw was the guy with the camera.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Sremmos80
Um the guy with the camera attacked the security guard...

Like no doubt about it, he made the first punch and plenty after.

After he was assaulted by the guard.

So you solve assault with more assault?
I don't like it being called assault when you just simply put your hands on some one, I think that is nit picky.
I agree the guard over stepped and shouldn't have done what he did, but the response was worse then the guards actions.
Well until the guard shot.

They guy had it all on video, that is all he needed.
Instead he went all macho man and caught him self a charge.
One I am inclined to agree with.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: FlyingFox

This guy attacked the security guard.

I agree the security guard was over stepping, but turning around and wailing into him is not the answer.

The only psycho I saw was the guy with the camera.

The wailing part didn't start until the assault and battery was under way. Mall cops don't get to grab and hit if the grabbee is standing there talking quietly. They get to tell you you're trespassed and then escort you off, without touching. But you don't get to jump right up to grabbing and shooting.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So you solve assault with more assault?

When a mall cop grabs you, he's violated the law. You're not required to stand there and take a few licks for God and country.

I don't like it being called assault when you just simply put your hands on some one, I think that is nit picky.

No, that part's battery. eta: was it picky when they were using it as a reason to call in the guards? You'll note they didn't charge him for it yet, either.

I agree the guard over stepped and shouldn't have done what he did, but the response was worse then the guards actions.
Well until the guard shot.

He shouldn't have done it SO much, they have a name for it in law.

Instead he went all macho man and caught him self a charge.
One I am inclined to agree with.

Let's see if the prosecutor runs with it, lacking all the bits where he was trespassed or asked to leave.

a reply to: FlyingFox

The guy in the yellow shirt...LMAO!!! *wipes tears* ...Oh Lord.

S&F for that alone

a reply to: Sremmos80

He did not announce himself or his status as a security guard. He walked up and tried to grab the guy.

Say you are out and filming something with your phone and a random person walks up and tries to grab your phone..

Are you going to ask for credentials?

Or are you going to protect yourself and your property?

The guy didn't attack the security guard. He retaliated.

a reply to: rockintitz

No he attacked, he went after the guy and never let up.

If he did what he did in order to get away and out of the guys grasp then sure. But he threw a punch, and then followed with many many more ad the guard went on the defensive.

Also find it funny he doesnt start calling for help and that he is being assaulted till after he is on the ground.

Your hypothetical will stay at just that, I will discuss the topic at hand.

a reply to: Bedlam

Agreed, the guard was out of line.

But that doesn't excuse the man's actions.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Bedlam

Agreed, the guard was out of line.

But that doesn't excuse the man's actions.

Obviously, the man feared for his life. That seems to excuse anything, and in this case, might be appropriate - an armed flying monkey who works for the people you're questioning walks in, grabs your camera, and starts throwing you around. Add to it the intentional/unintentional gunshot, and I'd say he was right to be afraid.

The guard WAS COMING RIGHT FOR HIM.

a reply to: Sremmos80

My hypothetical is valid. And I'm sorry to hear that you can't respond with your own likely reaction.

That being said.

The first person to put hands on in this situation was the security guard.

I saw it, you saw it.

Just from my perspective..

You walk up to me, grab me or anything that is on my person..

I won't have it. And I will show you just how I won't have it.

With force if need be.

That's just common sense and I'm disregarding the actual discharge of a weapon in a room full of people. For the sake of this argument.

So I ask, if you are acting civil and a "security guard" put his hands on you or your property, what do you do? What can you do? If you pull away, he will pull back.... a reply to: FlyingFox

a reply to: reldra

If that was me the 'security' guy would not even get to touch me, as soon as he approached violently he would end up head first on the wall, but i don't live in the US so that's probably why i would be able to do that without getting shot by a poorly trained and troubled mouth breather.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: rockintitz

No he attacked, he went after the guy and never let up.

If he did what he did in order to get away and out of the guys grasp then sure. But he threw a punch, and then followed with many many more ad the guard went on the defensive.

Also find it funny he doesnt start calling for help and that he is being assaulted till after he is on the ground.

Your hypothetical will stay at just that, I will discuss the topic at hand.

Did you not watch the video????


He did stop punching the rent a cop. But right when he stopped the rent a cop went for his gun. That's when the man started punching the rent a cop again obviously in fear for his life. Watch the video its all there. He stops punching but right then the baldy goes for his gun causing the old man to defend himself again. It happens in two seconds time.

Look at the video at 2:20 when the old man gets pushed backwards into the yellow shirt guy. For a second he stops and evaluates the situation. wondering if the baldy is going to back down or what. Its during that second that the baldy decides to draw his weapon. Causing the old man to punch him some more in fear he's about to be shot. Its on video and in English.

I had to laugh though, the hippy guy really nailed the bald guy, then moved onto the next victim,lol.
but the one thing that stands out is the mentality of these security guards / cops. he got his ass kicked so what does he do, hey he tries to shoot the guy.
the training module for negotiation, positive communication and non lethal takedown techniques must have been reduced to a panflet with a stick figure and a gun with an old batman KAPOW! motif on it.

a reply to: Chadwickus

The report of accidental discharge has changed, they now say it was deliberate. Lucky no one was badly hurt, although a human bite wound can be very nasty.

That was no accidental discharge definitely deliberate....he took the gun out of its holster and pointed the gun at the guys chest and fired.
As soon as he takes the gun out of it's holster that shows deliberate intent.
Seemingly the security guard that fired the weapon also new the guy with the camera was unarmed as he was in charge at the door where he checked him for weapons.
That looks to me like attempted murder and wreckless endangerment to everyone in that room.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Agreed, the guard was out of line. But that doesn't excuse the man's actions

The Guard had just fired a gun at him...I'm not surprised he bit one of them as his life was in danger.
He is one lucky guy that the security guard can't even aim correctly at close range.

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01
the training module for negotiation, positive communication and non lethal takedown techniques must have been reduced to a panflet with a stick figure and a gun with an old batman KAPOW! motif on it.

LMAO, Thanks, that made my night!
Not only did I find it funny, but quite possibly true.

a reply to: Sremmos80

This guy attacked the security guard. I agree the security guard was over stepping, but turning around and wailing into him is not the answer. The only psycho I saw was the guy with the camera.

Maybe you are the type of person that will let someone lay their hands on you and take your property from you without retaliation but I can assure you that you are in the minority as the majority of people would retaliate and defend themselves if attacked and it is also their lawful right to do so.

wouldnt it be fantastic if even more people carried guns?

this is the kind of stuff i worry about when the gun issue comes up
im not pro or anti on the matter.
just not sure how i feel about the ccw thing and yes, people carrying illegally worries me too.

if things like this happen by guards in city meetings with cameras rolling, what do you think is gonna happen when people get into an argument or a little scuffle in a parking lot or a store?

im worried that people are gonna start taking shots for the smallest slights against them