First Person Dies of Measles in U.S. Since 2003

vaers.hhs.gov...

a reply to: GetHyped



This is the governments database.........Ok is this good enough or what........This sight is government run and not anti-vaccination in any way.

a reply to: SubTruth

This has become a farce.

originally posted by: GetHyped
I assume you did not read my response here.

Still no answers to my questions regarding your claims...

a reply to: SubTruth

The VAERS is not an anti-vaccination website or organization. It is a reporting program set up by the CDC. The 6,000+ number are the number of collected reports, not confirmations.

This blog explains it more eloquently

Reading VAERS is not inherently wrong or bad. However, before reading VAERS, you should understand what it is and what you will find there.


VAERS is the place where doctors, patients, and really anyone else can report what they suspect to be side effect of a vaccination. The CDC and the FDA co-sponsor this data base, and they use it to monitor possible vaccine side effects. When certain patterns or clusters of similar reports appear, public health officials investigate these events and make appropriate recommendations. For example, in 1999, VAERS caught a higher than expected incidence of intussusception—a bowel disorder—following adminstration of RotaShield, a rotovirus vaccine. Epidemiological studies confirmed the heightened risk of this side effect, and the vaccine was pulled from the market.


In this sense, VAERS is invaluable. It gives public health officials the information they need in order to keep our immunization program as safe as possible. As a parent, I take comfort in the fact that VAERS exists and that people who know how to analyze the data are on top of it.


However, VAERS is a passive reporting system. This means that anyone can report anything to it. There is no go-between. It’s almost like an online forum or message board; anyone can post and no one vets the claims. As such, a report in VAERS does not prove that any adverse event was actually caused by vaccines. In fact, it doesn't even prove that any reported adverse event actually existed. One of the more well-known examples of how any report makes it into VAERS was Dr. James Laidler’s report that the influenza vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk. He inspired Kevin Leitch from Left Brain Right Brain to report a similar Wonder Woman adverse event.

Literally, one of the cases that NVIC is citing is the Incredible Hulk.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: SubTruth

This has become a farce.

originally posted by: GetHyped
I assume you did not read my response here.

Still no answers to my questions regarding your claims...

Everyone take a good hard look......Instead of arguing the information this poster is making it personal. I posted links with information...........

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: SubTruth

You are still posting an anti-vaccination website. I can only conclude that you are incapable of reading.

Still no answers to my questions regarding your claims...

Really........The vaccine adverse events reporting database is a anti-vaccination website......Remember that is how they got the data.......YA nice try.

Oh wait I know......Spin it and make it personal........

You don't seem to be aware that just because something has been reported does not mean it was proven to be true.

The site you are using seems to be connected to Mercola and that is not a good sign. Some of the numbers they are using seem to be contrived from VAERS.

"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."

Funny how that anti vacc site never mentions this at all.

a reply to: SubTruth

You have posted nothing of the sort, nor have you answered any of my questions regarding your claims.

An honest person would either "put up or shut up", as they say.

a reply to: grimpachi

Hospitals and doctors use this sight to report vaccination allergic reactions.........In the broader sense ya you can never trust data 100% because of many reason including conflict of interests.


I will add death reports are serious things and are not just made up.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: SubTruth

You have posted nothing of the sort, nor have you answered any of my questions regarding your claims.

An honest person would either "put up or shut up", as they say.

vaers.hhs.gov...

This sight is used by hospitals and doctors. I also added context about how data can be manipulated for many reasons including conflict of interests.

Once again, I give you the World Health Organization fact sheets on the Measles. Their only agenda is to prevent illness and/or death.

During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

a reply to: SubTruth

How many times must it be pointed out to you that VAERS is not a credible source?

Like other spontaneous reporting systems, VAERS has several limitations, including underreporting, unverified reports, inconsistent data quality, absence of a control group that is not vaccinated, and inadequate data about the number of people vaccinated. Indeed, an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database, but the dubious nature thereof prompted a VAERS representative to contact Mr. Laidler, who then gave his consent to delete the report.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm starting to believe that you don't actually understand the arguments you're responding to.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
Once again, I give you the World Health Organization fact sheets on the Measles. Their only agenda is to prevent illness and/or death.

During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

The who's only agenda is to prevent illness and death.......I disagree and can prove what I am saying. During the Ebola scare did they try the new vaccine over in Africa they waited until it reached a 1st world country.

a reply to: SubTruth

But don't you see then how misleading NVIC is for not providing the context for its data? For a layperson reading NVIC, the 6,000+ statistic is written like it is confirmation, not speculation. Same with the 300+ deaths.

a reply to: GetHyped

And as I clarified data can be corrupted for many reasons including conflict of interests. But I also added death reports are serious things and not just made up. A doctor needs to certify death.......See the angle.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: SubTruth

But don't you see then how misleading NVIC is for not providing the context for its data? For a layperson reading NVIC, the 6,000+ statistic is written like it is confirmation, not speculation. Same with the 300+ deaths.

Yes I do......But as I just stated in the US a doctor needs to certify death so the numbers of deaths are probably pretty accurate. As for the rest of the data.......Ya you are correct.

a reply to: SubTruth

Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here. Clarification, please.

a reply to: SubTruth

Any source that states vaccines can turn you into The Incredible Hulk is not in any way reliable.

I can't believe I'm even having to point this out to you.

For someone who's supposedly not anti-vaccination (or is this another false claim of yours?), you're really pushing hard to avoid posting up credible sources and answering questions regarding your claims.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: grimpachi

Hospitals and doctors use this sight to report vaccination allergic reactions.........In the broader sense ya you can never trust data 100% because of many reason including conflict of interests.


I will add death reports are serious things and are not just made up.

Try reading this again and let me know if you have any questions.

"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."

Considering you are the one who admits that you can never trust data 100% I don't understand why you seem to trust a site connected to Mercola which sells small bottles of water for exorbitant prices with claims that a few drops of that water can cure disease.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: SubTruth

Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here. Clarification, please.

OK in the US a doctor has to verify and report deaths......It is serious business for good reason. This is why the deaths listed in the database are more than likely correct or close. The other non death related information is questionable at best......But the death reports have to be certified by a doctor.

a reply to: SubTruth

...except, for the umpteenth time, the reports in VAERS are not verified.

Do you honestly take a source seriously that claims vaccines can turn you into The Incredible Hulk?

A simple yes/no will suffice.

Still no answers to my questions regarding your claims...

a reply to: grimpachi

Look I get the point.....I really do and you are correct. Big picture even if 20% of these deaths were caused by allergic reactions........



Doctors are not just going to blame a vaccine without good merit.......Remember doctors report death and it needs to be certified.