First Person Dies of Measles in U.S. Since 2003

originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: Pardon?

I understand perfectly fine, but I'm not buying what you are selling. The more research that people do, the more people don't vaccinate. It must have something to do with the actual ingredients in the vaccines, but I'm sure you will tell me a little poison is ok right?

Clean up the vaccinations, take out the poisons, have multiple neutral parties do the safety studies and then I will look at taking vaccines seriously. Until then all I see is a multi billion dollar business, and a bunch of fear mongers running from their own shadows.

I highly doubt people are doing critical research. Spending a couple of hours on Google and reading anti-vaccination pseudo science "literature" does not count.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

mic.com...

A bit of light reading above but i doubt the anti vaxxers will read it .

Bad argument #1: There's no proof that vaccines don't cause autism. It's hard to prove a negative. But the American Academy of Pediatrics has released a list of more than 40 studies showing no link whatsoever between vaccines and autism.

Bad argument #2: One study from England did show a link between vaccines and autism. Yes, a study published in The Lancet in 1998 did find such a link. But the study was retracted, and the physician-researcher who led it, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, was shown to have falsified the data and was stripped of his medical license.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Have a read of the above . No , what it doesn't fit your agenda .

I challenge anyone to come up with a link between autism and vaccines . Vaccines and anything negative .

ETA . Here is what wiki has to say about the anti vaxx guru Andrew Wakefield .
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: GetHyped

OP I wonder how many people have died from allergic reactions to the vaccine since 2003.........I bet it is more than 1. I have to wonder why PTB push this propaganda so hard......Is it really about public health. Many pro-vaccine people I have found distrust the government accept when it comes to topics like this.........Just saying.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: GetHyped

OP I wonder how many people have died from allergic reactions to the vaccine since 2003.........I bet it is more than 1. I have to wonder why PTB push this propaganda so hard......Is it really about public health. Many pro-vaccine people I have found distrust the government accept when it comes to topics like this.........Just saying.

There have been zero deaths attributed to the MMR since 2003.
In fact I've been unable to find any deaths proved to have been caused by it.

originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: Pardon?

I understand perfectly fine, but I'm not buying what you are selling. The more research that people do, the more people don't vaccinate. It must have something to do with the actual ingredients in the vaccines, but I'm sure you will tell me a little poison is ok right?

Clean up the vaccinations, take out the poisons, have multiple neutral parties do the safety studies and then I will look at taking vaccines seriously. Until then all I see is a multi billion dollar business, and a bunch of fear mongers running from their own shadows.

You understand within your beliefs, that is it.
That definition does not come under "perfectly fine" in anyone's but your mind.

The more research that real researchers do rather than those blessed with Dunning-Kruger, the more they find that vaccines are probably THE safest and most studied medicines on the planet.
Now I can understand that you may find some of the names of the ingredients scary but they are just scientific names.
Their effect of the body is well studied and well understood.
As for the "poisons" trope here a little thing you may have heard...the dose makes the poison.
It might seem a bit cryptic at first but once you start to understand even the basics of biology it will fall into place very quickly.

As for the neutral safety studies, there are hundreds out there.
If you care to look for them that is.
I get the feeling that you won't though as this will further harm your belief system.

And as for fear-mongers, you're the one who tried to link it with an ebola outbreak...

originally posted by: yourignoranceisbliss

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: notmyrealname

And how might i ask did they eradicate it . Insert answer here ____________

So you're perfectly content with allowing a few thousand people in this country DIE every year until _____ disease is eradicated?

1 person dies and you lose your mind, even though you don't have any evidence it wasn't related to a pre-existing condition?

Tell me again, please, how ____ disease is worse than a vaccine which kills or debilitates THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EVERY YEAR?

You essentially are asking us to sacrifice ourselves for the sake of eradicating a disease which has killed 1 person in the last 12 years.

You don't really get it, do you. Hopefully it won't be YOUR loved one next that dies from a bad vaccine reaction. The odds are far far far more likely to happen than _____ disease. Care to disagree? You will be easily proven wrong.

More words.
No evidence.

Can you show the evidence of all these deaths from vaccines please?
I'd be really interested in seeing it as I never have so far.
(BTW, don't use VAERS as that's a first line reporting system which doesn't show causality.
And no testimonies. They're just words).

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: GetHyped

OP I wonder how many people have died from allergic reactions to the vaccine since 2003

Instead of wondering, how bout you cite some evidence?

I personally wonder how many children have been turned into The Incredible Hulk by vaccines since 2003.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

I highly doubt people are doing critical research. Spending a couple of hours on Google and reading anti-vaccination pseudo science "literature" does not count.

Just so I understand the rules correctly, anything that goes against the grain of the status quo is considered pseudo science right? Science is above reproach, in a world where everything is corrupted, science is the lone beacon of everything good and righteous.

originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

I highly doubt people are doing critical research. Spending a couple of hours on Google and reading anti-vaccination pseudo science "literature" does not count.

Just so I understand the rules correctly, anything that goes against the grain of the status quo is considered pseudo science right? Science is above reproach, in a world where everything is corrupted, science is the lone beacon of everything good and righteous.

Nope.
If you state something then can prove it properly, it will be accepted.
If you can't prove it properly then it won't be.
That's how science works.
It's not against you.

They said that they did not know if the woman was vaccinated. That probably means that she was vaccinated. If she wasn't vaccinated I am sure they would have told us to try to make sure people get vaccinated. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

There would have had to be some secondary diseases or maybe a compromised immune system for someone to die from measles. I do know that many people need the measles shot and I won't say that they should not have it. I only say that it should be our personal decision as to whether we get the shot or whether our kids get the shot. If you get the measles, most people don't get that sick and it does give us lifelong resistance. Now when a person gets really old or sick, the resistance wains and then it is their personal decision that they should make.

I am not anti-vaccine even though I can't take the flu shots and I do not know if I can even tolerate other vaccines. I didn't do so well with my DTAP a few years ago but I am still here. I won't get a DTAP again, maybe a DT if I need it.

I don't care what is causing my reaction, I will never take a flu shot again.

originally posted by: rickymouse
They said that they did not know if the woman was vaccinated. That probably means that she was vaccinated. If she wasn't vaccinated I am sure they would have told us to try to make sure people get vaccinated. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that to prevent anyone who is immunocompromised, vaccinated or not, from succumbing to measles, vaccination coverage needs to be at a certain level else it will spread and they could catch it.
That's what always happens.

a reply to: rickymouse

I only say that it should be our personal decision as to whether we get the shot or whether our kids get the shot.

You're in luck then. Because it is.

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: GetHyped

OP I wonder how many people have died from allergic reactions to the vaccine since 2003

Instead of wondering, how bout you cite some evidence?

I personally wonder how many children have been turned into The Incredible Hulk by vaccines since 2003.

OK I will do just that I looked up the number of deaths from the measles vaccine.......329 deaths from 1990-2014. That is more than 1 a year right..........


It is 6,000 serious reactions in the same time period.........So how is the argument working out for you OP.....YA.

a reply to: SubTruth

I would like to point out that in general when someone posts figures or information that they say they looked up they also will post links to the information they claim is factual.

That will generally dispel suspicion that they are lying or using info from unreliable sources.

originally posted by: SubTruth
OK I will do just that I looked up the number of deaths from the measles vaccine.......329 deaths from 1990-2014. That is more than 1 a year right..........

And tell me, how many incidences were there 10 years ago?

It is 6,000 serious reactions in the same time period

[citation needed]

And while you're at it, let's get a citation for this statement:

OP I wonder how many people have died from allergic reactions to the vaccine since 2003

a reply to: GetHyped

Look you asked for the numbers I posted them......Maybe you should have looked at all the angles considering this is your thread not mine. On average it is more than a death per year from allergic reactions. Many more serious reactions happen that need medical treatment.



Bottom line OP look at the bigger picture and both sides of the argument.....I have. I have also said if I did not already have the vaccination and the numbers actually stated rising to higher case levels I would get the vaccine. That being said you have the right under the constitution to decline it.

originally posted by: grimpachi
a reply to: SubTruth

I would like to point out that in general when someone posts figures or information that they say they looked up they also will post links to the information they claim is factual.

That will generally dispel suspicion that they are lying or using info from unreliable sources.

Posting links at the moment is not going to happen......It was a simple google search. If they are wrong please post the correct numbers........Maybe the OP should have included that info in the original write up.


Heck maybe another poster could help out.......How many people die a year from getting the measles vaccine? If it more than 1 this OP's argument is having issues. And from the numbers from a simple google search it far greater than 1 per year.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: GetHyped

Look you asked for the numbers I posted them......

You made an unsubstantiated claim. What, again, is the source for your claim?

On average it is more than a death per year from allergic reactions.

[citation needed]

Many more serious reactions happen that need medical treatment.

[citation needed]

Lots of claims and no evidence.


I see you conveniently ignored my question:

And tell me, how many incidences were there 10 years ago?

And while you're at it, let's get a citation for this statement:

OP I wonder how many people have died from allergic reactions to the vaccine since 2003

Quit trying to pick up your ball and go home whenever someone challenges your unsubstantiated statements.

www.nvic.org...

a reply to: GetHyped





Good enough........Take a good hard look.......I think I made my point. It also says over 1/2 of the deaths come from children under the age of 3.

originally posted by: SubTruth
OK I will do just that I looked up the number of deaths from the measles vaccine.......329 deaths from 1990-2014. That is more than 1 a year right..........

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that is true, that nigh-universal MMR coverage comes at a cost of 14 lives per year. In the decade before the measles vaccine, 400-500 people died of measles every year (in the US). Given the growth of the US population, that number would be what, double?

Which is preferable: Fourteen people dying, or hundreds of people dying?