Children as young as 12 are receiving drugs to prepare them for sex change!

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

What is telling is your obvious trolling. Go away.

Thank you for your polite reply.

My post was sincere. I have spent more than 15 years of my life immersed in Marines - in their work, in their personal lives, and in their families.

It is very likely that I have forgotten more Marines than the other poster encountered in her time of service - she did not specify how long she served, but I can guess based on the tone of her comments.

FYP.

Just sayin'

a reply to: daryllyn

The way I see it is that these religious are only using their religion to hide behind their intolerance. The religion itself isn't what is bigoted.

originally posted by: Annee
The oath is antiquated.

Wow, so avoiding harm to patients is an 'antiquated' concept now? I guess personal responsibility is shirked by even medical doctors. The Progressives must be proud of their accomplishments.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: daryllyn

The way I see it is that these religious are only using their religion to hide behind their intolerance. The religion itself isn't what is bigoted.

I agree with that, but I think that some of the intolerance is rooted in religious indoctrination.

They cherry pick the parts that suit them in the moment, and ignore the rest until it's convenient for them.

It really comes down to cognitive dissonance. They hold so tightly to the beliefs ingrained into them by man, that they outright refuse to see how their intolerance is exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught.

Disclaimer: This is, of course, only in some cases... this isn't meant as a blanket statement, as I know that there are Christians who are tolerant.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: daryllyn

The way I see it is that these religious are only using their religion to hide behind their intolerance. The religion itself isn't what is bigoted.

That's how I see it as well. Religion has done a lot of good in the world. I don't feel that those who would use it to hide behind or warp to fit their world view should diminish the good that religion has done in the world.

I say that as someone who is not at all religious by the way.

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist

originally posted by: Annee
The oath is antiquated.

Wow, so avoiding harm to patients is an 'antiquated' concept now? I guess personal responsibility is shirked by even medical doctors. The Progressives must be proud of their accomplishments.

I think what Annee might have meant was that the traditional way the oath was interpreted is antiquated given things like preventative medicine.

This has nothing to do with progressive politics (why is everything shoehorned into a left/right dichotomy anyway!?) it has to do with medicine learning that often preventing things which would naturally happen does more good than the harm that would be caused if allowed to proceed naturally.

Gene therapy and treatments like those in the original post fall into that category.

Thus "First do no harm" in the case of trans kids means allowing them to postpone what could be a harmful puberty should they begin living as the gender they really feel inside.

Im all for adult LGBT righrs and equility amoung consenting adults


I draw the line at children.


I have no issue with what ones does in the privacy of there own bedroom but it should stay there.


Pushing this agenda on children is shooting yourself in the foot because it offends moderates like me. I would say the majority of the public hold my view view in that they are fine with equality amoung gay/tran adults.
Im happy to live and let live.

But push it on the kids and i will fight back, you will push me futher and futher away from supporting you full stop.


This is what people refer to as the gay "agenda". Its not enough to just want equalty and a end to hate crimes you have to push further and further and now on the to the kids.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

I bring this up because it is actually common in our community for the younger more stealth girls to kind of ostracize the older ladies who are the real reason the younger generation could be more comfortable in this day and age. I have been guilty of this myself and I feel bad when I look at someone that may not be as passable as I am and think hanging out with them would be embarrassing.

I just want you to know I understand this. And I do feel hurtful when I say "man in a dress" --- although it may be the only way to get some to understand.

I feel the same way with young women today, me being from the 50s, having gone through the women's rights movement. I want to feel good for them, that they have freedoms and rights I didn't. But, I still get jealous and it's hurtful that they really don't appreciate what those before them went through.

a reply to: crazyewok

Because LGBT adults couldn't have possibly known who they were as children........

*facepalm*

a reply to: daryllyn

Oh naturally, there is a great deal of cognitive dissonance involved. Though there are many parts about the religious right (because let's face it, that is who we are talking about) that show cognitive dissonance between their religion and their actions. To be honest, it is likely that Jesus would have been a Socialist, not a Libertarian.

a reply to: JadeStar

Same here. Many on ATS think I hate Christians, but I don't. I just don't like what many use the religion for. I don't care if you worship it or not. I may think the beliefs are silly and outdated, but I'm not going to fault you for having them. This is a case where I feel I should lay down some distinction and make sure we aren't just bashing all Christians for the intolerance of a few.

originally posted by: daryllyn
a reply to: crazyewok

Because LGBT adults couldn't have possibly known who they were as children........

*facepalm*

No they dont.


I had straight freind who are now bi and freinds who were sure they were gay go straight.

And some flip flopping between the two.

Teennagers are bad for makeing choices.


Just give then counsilling and support until they hit adulthood and then let the decide.



Tne more you force this agenda on children the more you will force this supporter of LGBT adult equality to become homophobic!

Pick your battles and set realtic goals! Stop pushing for world domination.

As for religion my foundation of morality begins in my early childhood. My family was not overly religious but I did learn the basics as a child i.e. god,satan,jesus,good,bad,heaven,hell and some basic prayers. I eventually grew older and developed my own opinions and feelings on matters of spirituality.

I look back on my childhood teachings of spirituality with fondness but also as what they were, simple easy to digest basics of morality that a child can understand.

a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Dear TrappedPrincess,

Love, compassion and Forgiveness starts from the individual, before to radiate toward the society.

When a person decide to hate its own nature, hate the way it was built by life, when it hates the natural hormones that are produced by its own glandules, that person has basically a great problem of self hate, and that is clearly against any self esteem and so there is a violation , at the level of the individual of the love it must have for itself.

When a person is lacking of compassion against its own body, compassion against its own nature and decides to force it, to apply to it a clearly artificial treatment to condition it to go in to a direction that never would take if the things are allowed to follow the natural path, that is a clear lack of compassion for itself.

When a person hate God, or life or what ever it believe is the force that has brought it to this world just for to have chosen a gender that he or she believes was wrong for him or her, that is of course lack of forgiveness. When a person is not able to forgive the Nature to have taken a decision and is not willing to assume it with dignity and face existence through it is not only lack of forgiveness toward Nature or Life is lack of adaptation and so it reveals an imbalance in the mind.

Now, how that person that has such lacking of essential virtues can think that is in position to tell others to follow its example of life? to give light to others? that is a visible contradiction, since he or she is just a blind person trying to guide other blind people.

Come on, this is something that does not require too many turns to be understood, it is logical and even a person whose mind is trapped by an obsession with respect to gender can see through it and perceive there is something wrong in its attitude toward what is natural.

You and others claim that the antitransgender movement is just religious or extreme right one, well that is to try to label something in a political way, is a distracting sophism, the true is that whoever is in favor of a natural style of life and not to follow an artificial one sees this problem through the same lens, as well as whoever knows that the lacking of the three virtues you have mentioned is symptomatic of a perturbed mind.

JadeStar has publically recognized with her own posts here that is a person with suicidal trends in childhood, an evident candidate to go into a maniac depressive problem, so the way it forced the approval of family and physicians to go ahead in such mutilation and sterilization of a child was by blackmailing them with a possible suicide, Do you need more proof of its mental imbalance? that is enough evidence of emotional instability and grave problems of lack of adaption to life.

A mutilation and sterilization of a child is a horrendous act and whoever make proselytism of it, even if it is mad, is promoting crimes against humanity. It doesn't matter how manipulative this person can be, its attitude is clearly destructive and selfish, it is not just satisfied with what it has done against its own nature, it wants to see this replicated in many more confused teen agers, there is a lot of maniac obsession in such attitude.

The Transgender movement is far to be an authentic civil rights agenda, and in children population is nothing more than a criminal activity, and definitively is a perverted concept of diversity. Any other adult that try to convince under age to adopt certain sexual preference would face criminal charges, so why the transgender have the right to do so without even being touched by the Law?

Jade has also accepted that its goal in life is to attract and have sex with men, so It is clear that we have an homosexual man that instead to accept its own nature has tried to develop an artificial camouflage because its caprice is to do this with straight men and not just with gay ones. This says a lot of the way this person understands diversity and how hypocritical is its point of view.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

I look back on my childhood teachings of spirituality with fondness but also as what they were, simple easy to digest basics of morality that a child can understand.

Yes! I was raised with metaphysical thinking back in the 50s. Unusual, I know.

But, my mom also believed we all have to find our own path, so I went to church services too. A variety of them.

My grandson asked me if we celebrate Christmas or Hanukkah --- I responded: "We celebrate Winter Solstice". LOL, the look on his face was funny. He will have the variety I did, to find his own path.

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I will listen to him. Same as I will listen to him in all other areas, including his developing sexuality.

a reply to: The angel of light

Jade has also accepted that its goal in life is to attract and have sex with men, so It is clear that we have an homosexual man that instead to accept its own nature has tried to develop an artificial camouflage because its caprice is to do this with straight men and not just with gay ones. This says a lot of the way this person understands diversity and how hypocritical is its point of view.

"Its"?

I'm blown away by your intolerance, religion, politics, and whatever aside...... That statement was rude, hateful, intolerant, bigoted, uneducated and 150 percent out of line.

Ad hominem attack, much?

originally posted by: daryllyn
a reply to: crazyewok

Because LGBT adults couldn't have possibly known who they were as children........

*facepalm*

Exactly.

This whole "OMG they're going after your kids" fear-mongering has to stop.

EVERY LGBT adult was once an LGBT kid.

I am not LG or B so I can not speak to that but being trans is so different from LGB which have to do with sexual attraction, an ADULT activity rather than gender identity, which is WHO WE ARE. Something we usually know by kindergarten.

Didn't you know you were a girl or a boy before age 12?

So basically people need to parse this out better. No one is forcing anything on anyone here. They are just listening to kids who like me, knew they were born the wrong gender.

No one told me to think this. No TV brainwashed me. No LGBT group, secret society, cult or big pharma pushed me or my parents into this. I was one of those kids who regardless of what anyone tried to do to convince me otherwise, shame it out of me or bully me, asserted that I was born the wrong way.

Finally people are listening and doing something about the issue before it becomes a problem.

Oooh your a special one I can see lol, let me start with I do not hate my body or anything about myself. I've been through the mental gauntlet of being truthful with myself as to what is going on upstairs. I'm way more self-aware than the average person and most trans folk are too out of necessity. It is in this that I am able to help prevent or address my own negative psychological qualities and behaviors.

This is not about hate at all but the journey to loving one's self leading to loving all for we are all one in the same in the end anyway...right?

You speak in such odd way, it makes me wonder what nationality you are, do you mind saying? Not that it really matters I'm just curious.


a reply to: The angel of light

originally posted by: daryllyn
a reply to: The angel of light

Jade has also accepted that its goal in life is to attract and have sex with men, so It is clear that we have an homosexual man that instead to accept its own nature has tried to develop an artificial camouflage because its caprice is to do this with straight men and not just with gay ones. This says a lot of the way this person understands diversity and how hypocritical is its point of view.

"Its"?

I'm blown away by your intolerance, religion, politics, and whatever aside...... That statement was rude, hateful, intolerant, bigoted, uneducated and 150 percent out of line.

Ad hominem attack, much?

I find it sad that some people still would defile or deny my humanity by calling me an it. That's so classy.

Diversity and freedom of choice are both very important and great to have in ones life.

a reply to: Annee