Female soccer players sit on sidelines amid protest by Islamic high school team

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

My understanding of Muslims(and yes I do know some) is that the lowest insult to a Muslim man is to call him a dog.Why is that? Why do Muslims hate dogs so much? Dogs have helped man through the ages to become what he is,yet they are hated by this religion. Is it because dogs and other animals do not use control and do things at appropriate times?

If you sit and try to explain the Muslim beliefs,then you will answer for them since you seem to know about that belief system and believe in it yourself. So I again ask,do your men not have control over themselves? It seems in the Middle eastern countries that the men blame everything on everyone else but themselves. They do not hold themselves to a higher standard,nor are they expected to. In THIS society,in order to be really considered a man,you ARE expected to hold yourself to a higher standard and succeed in it.

I would not expect a 5 year old boy to be a man,nor do we ever consider them as such. There fore they are able to make mistakes and people don't hold it against them. However,when you reach at least 18 years of age,those feelings no longer apply to that person. He is well aware of what he is doing,and does it anyway. And has to answer to the law here.This is our society. Now if you want to continue to try to explain the Muslim beliefs to us,fine,knock yourself out.But do not expect us to agree with it. Because it goes against what we have worked for.

Someone needs to take a look at the releases this school signed to participate. I'm fairly certain they can't keep offering to forfeiture games and remain. Unless you are a monk and have isolated yourself from the world around you, society has rules and norms that must be abided by.

I hope they withdraw and only play against private Islamic school teams in the future. No teenage young lady should have had to go through this not once. They damn sure shouldn't have to keep going through this.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs


Trying to interpret a verse that's clearly about how to interact with the Prophet's (pbuh) wives, into how 7 billion people interact is a pretty Wahhabi thing to do.


Also trying to justify those Hadith, like men cannot control themselves, and women just "seduce" men, then "illegal activities" will occur, is not just such a stretch, it is also complete contradiction to the free will we were given by Allah (swt).

Okay I see the point you are trying to make here, and I agree.

But consider this, when the Quran ordains Muslims to lower the gaze what is meant by it?

Does it mean to stop all interactions and not to look at the opposite gender at all? Or does it mean interact but on a modest level?

How modesty be upheld when Muslim boys are running up and down the pitch physically interacting with other female players, and whatever other physical interactions, or even verbal ones can take place in such a scenario?

If this scenario is okay by you then maybe you need to re-address what interacting modestly actually means.

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

My understanding of Muslims(and yes I do know some) is that the lowest insult to a Muslim man is to call him a dog.Why is that? Why do Muslims hate dogs so much? Dogs have helped man through the ages to become what he is,yet they are hated by this religion. Is it because dogs and other animals do not use control and do things at appropriate times?

If you sit and try to explain the Muslim beliefs,then you will answer for them since you seem to know about that belief system and believe in it yourself. So I again ask,do your men not have control over themselves? It seems in the Middle eastern countries that the men blame everything on everyone else but themselves. They do not hold themselves to a higher standard,nor are they expected to. In THIS society,in order to be really considered a man,you ARE expected to hold yourself to a higher standard and succeed in it.

I would not expect a 5 year old boy to be a man,nor do we ever consider them as such. There fore they are able to make mistakes and people don't hold it against them. However,when you reach at least 18 years of age,those feelings no longer apply to that person. He is well aware of what he is doing,and does it anyway. And has to answer to the law here.This is our society. Now if you want to continue to try to explain the Muslim beliefs to us,fine,knock yourself out.But do not expect us to agree with it. Because it goes against what we have worked for.

Again you are misinformed? Called a dog??? First of all you are veering way of topic.

And secondly, I am sure the dog insult is more a cultural (Arab) thing then a Muslims/ Islamic thing. Here educate yourself on Islam and Animals, and how we revere them:

en.wikipedia.org...

Any human being, regardless of age, can make a mistake. end of story. The guarding of modesty, and lowering of the gaze to promote modest interactions with those of the opposite gender is to prevent a Muslim making a mistake in the first place.

As you know in life, especially with temptations, and not much is more tempting than a woman to a man, or vice versa in the majority of cases (excluding supposed homosexuals), that one thing will always lead to another.

And this the Islamic teachings is designed to prevent the mistake from taking place in the first place, i.e. by promoting modest interactions you deter any process of illegal interactions such as rape, seduction, extramarital relations.

Again the age or the wisdom of the human being is not in question, it is the fact that they are human and succumb to the human condition (natural desired) that every human being has in some shape or form, that can lead to illegal interactions.

Now you might say some boys/girls, men/women are more capable then others, i.e. they have a greater degree of self control. That's fine, good for them - but not everyone does, and it still provides room for error as we are only human at the end of the day, and we can give in sometimes.

You know really this whole issue would not be an issue if Muslims would do like the Amish have done. They do abide by the laws of the state,but their own culture is what they go by. They keep that culture within their own villages and don't bother the rest of the towns with it. They expect no exceptions,nor try to "go around",change,or do things their own way around others.

I would say that the girls on that team fought hard to get where they were at that day. They didn't belong having it taken away from them because others didn't want to go by the rules of the league. Because no matter who was being polite or trying to get things done, the Islamic school STILL GOT WHAT IT WANTED. Good luck next time on trying to make them abide by the rules.

If they don't want to play against girls,then they can stay home and make up their own leagues. Its really quite simple.They don't belong playing in the regular leagues with others. PLAY NICE OR GO HOME.That is what we were told as kids. Still applys.

originally posted by: Dimithae
You know really this whole issue would not be an issue if .

If they don't want to play against girls,then they can stay home and make up their own leagues. Its really quite simple.They don't belong playing in the regular leagues with others. PLAY NICE OR GO HOME.That is what we were told as kids. Still applys.

Okay, and Islam will agree with you, and I am sure they will find a compromise. Just do not confuse the events that took place to be in anyway a cultural thing, it is very much an Islamic thing. In that Islam ordains Muslims to engage in modest interactions with those of the opposite sex, and the football pitch does not serve as a place for modest interactions between mixed genders.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

That really is fair enough, but in light of it surely their choice of league was a very poor one.

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

That really is fair enough, but in light of it surely their choice of league was a very poor one.

I agree it was, and it is unfortunate that this took place. Hopefully others will not misunderstand the situation in that Muslims are just trying to be awkward. A Muslim in this scenario will gladly forfeit, and back out, and apologize for any inconvenience to others.

Lesson learnt.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: mobiusmale

Kick them out of the league for refusing to compete and generally being a joke.

Simples.

This. ^^^

Canada is not an Islamic country.

Where were they demanding everyone else comply with Islamic rules?

Yes. They knew what they were getting into before the game(certainly before halftime), and even played half of it before deciding on a tactic that would benefit them, and cost the other team points. They should be disqualified from playing any more games in the league.

a reply to: Sublimecraft
Segregation, especially in sport, is vital. It can be incredibly dangerous for women and men to compete in physical sports. Boxing weight classes are separated by the pound cos the danger of weight advantage and muscle density. An athletic male would be adleast 3 stone heavier than an athletic woman. Sports women understand the danger, hence no right minded woman has ever called for segregation barriers to be broken down within physical sports.

If they were Jewish the game wouldn't have even started cos they wouldn't have shaken their hands before the match

a reply to: rossacus

Modern football is not the contact sport it used to be though. Did you see the shoulder charge from the fifties that was shown prior to the FA cup yesterday? It was about 4 seconds after the goalie caught the ball and the centre forward had to significantly change course and footing to ensure that he smashed right into him. Perfectly legal and fun to watch.

But the rules have changed long ago.

Modern footie is more speed and agility than flinty elbows and ankle breaking tackles.

I reckon that eventually we will see top female players break into the football league in the UK.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Lowering the gaze is modest I agree...

But it's also quite rude to talk to the floor when interacting with someone for whatever reason.

So while I do not ogle females, I have no problem or lack of belief in how modestly I act around anybody of any gender or faith.


I meant no offence by asking if you're Wahhabi either... it did just seem a little extreme to talk of segregation in 2015.

I think there is a time and a place for the type of modesty you're defining...
Modesty comes in many forms though.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: mobiusmale

Kick them out of the league for refusing to compete and generally being a joke.

Simples.

This. ^^^

Canada is not an Islamic country.

Where were they demanding everyone else comply with Islamic rules?

Yes. They knew what they were getting into before the game(certainly before halftime), and even played half of it before deciding on a tactic that would benefit them, and cost the other team points. They should be disqualified from playing any more games in the league.

That's not how football works.

If you forfeit the game the other team gets the points.

a reply to: skalla

Well unfortunately you are delusional. You clearly have never played football, or soccer in your case, otherwise you know it's a physical sport. Try going for a header in the box and tell me it's not physical.

I have been volleyed in the face, elbowed, landed on by 16 stone men and had my knees crushed multiple times, with the ACL and meniscus to prove it.

Peter cech is a goal keeper and had his skull fractured. Collar bone injuries are a weekly occurrence, stitches from studs, not to mention violence.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Lowering the gaze is modest I agree...

But it's also quite rude to talk to the floor when interacting with someone for whatever reason.

So while I do not ogle females, I have no problem or lack of belief in how modestly I act around anybody of any gender or faith.


I meant no offence by asking if you're Wahhabi either... it did just seem a little extreme to talk of segregation in 2015.

I think there is a time and a place for the type of modesty you're defining...
Modesty comes in many forms though.

No problem, point taken. I was alluding to the other point you just made with regards to it being rude to talk to the floor when interacting with the opposite sex. I highly agree, and some Muslims will take this to the extreme and show Islam in a bad light by doing so. Their are situations where you can act modestly and addressing questions or discussing any topic with the opposite sex is modest, as long as physical touching doesn't take place.

It would be plain rude for Muslim man to stare into the ceiling as he is approached by a female with a question or asking for help. Or even ignoring that female all together as if she is not there.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Lowering the gaze is modest I agree...

But it's also quite rude to talk to the floor when interacting with someone for whatever reason.

So while I do not ogle females, I have no problem or lack of belief in how modestly I act around anybody of any gender or faith.


I meant no offence by asking if you're Wahhabi either... it did just seem a little extreme to talk of segregation in 2015.

I think there is a time and a place for the type of modesty you're defining...
Modesty comes in many forms though.

No problem, point taken. I was alluding to the other point you just made with regards to it being rude to talk to the floor when interacting with the opposite sex. I highly agree, and some Muslims will take this to the extreme and show Islam in a bad light by doing so. Their are situations where you can act modestly and addressing questions or discussing any topic with the opposite sex is modest, as long as physical touching doesn't take place.

It would be plain rude for Muslim man to stare into the ceiling as he is approached by a female with a question or asking for help. Or even ignoring that female all together as if she is not there.

Would it be immodest if I, as a woman, started a conversation about athletic supports and cups that guys have to wear when playing sports?

Can we talk about that in mixed company, or when talking about sports and the subject is brought up, is it improper to discuss the athletic supporters and cups? I can do it without giggling, but is it immodest to talk about those mundane and necessary articles?

I just want the opinions from both of you, because I am a woman and we are talking about sports.

a reply to: rossacus

Yes, i'm delusional, as opposed to an outright lair who makes stuff up about his local supermarket not stocking certain products because of evil muslims

originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: skalla

My local asda (Walmart sister) has a butcher section, where they only supply halal meat. In hounslow, it has been colonised by just about every race bar English. In the store I can't even buy lamb...I have to eat mutton. It is a form on product discrimination, appealing to the local community which makes complete business sense. However it completely alienates the people who have not immigrated and wish to remain in their "home town". Cater for the local population, don't alienate British values of freedom of choice.

I just spoke to the Manager of Asda, Hounslow branch and he said that they do indeed sell Lamb Chops, and they also sell un-smoked Back Bacon, which i specifically asked for. Their phone number is HERE should anyone else care to check.

So yeah, i'm calling BS on your claims.

I'm British by the way, and Bert Trautmann laughs at Petr Cech. Norman Hunter and Ron Harris make Hunt look like a pansy too. It was a different game back then.

But anyway, i grew up playing Rugby which is a real contact sport

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Are you seriously saying that Islam dictates that a man can not have a discussion with a woman other than a wife or close family member without being tempted into 'illegal' activities?

a reply to: skalla

Lmao. I understand your perspective, I assumed you were into rugby because football has turned into a diva sport.

That asda thing is priceless. I said you can't buy these from the BUTCHER. ..as in fresh unpacked high quality meat. That is brilliant. You've never been to my LOCAL store and yet you claim to know. It's called HALAL . I love stalkers. Outright liar you say. Do me a favour and check something out for yourself before posting that sort of shet. It looks really pathetic. I can't believe someone was that outraged they phoned the generic hotline for clarification and didn't even ask the right question. This is why I love ATS...They do the work, ask the wrong questions and get the wrong conclusions.

Thankyou for that post about the asda thing, it has made me smile. Reminds me of who I'm posting with

OK I just read the evil Muslim part. Where the f#ck did you get that from. Don't place your racist views onto me. Your an embarrassment to Britain with that sort of commentary. I would go through your previous posts and link you to grooming children but that is incredibly sad and misleading. I weep for your kind

a reply to: WarminIndy

You can talk to me about whatever you like.