NLBS #48: The United States Is Not, And Never Was, A Christian Nation

a reply to: Gorman91

Such a simple mind.

Says a man with a simple mind.

Look what is even your point? You keep bring up Luther. How does Luther influencing few founding fathers (according to you) have to do with the topic? And you keep saying that the word secular had a different meaning back then. We kept asking you what it meant and you never answered clearly.

Secular is secular.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Probably should read Luther if you don't get it.

Kinda funny to call me a simple mind on that one.

Secular is not secular. Example: Secular music is not free of religion. It's just not used in church....usually...unless your some weird heretic.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
Ever read the words in the currency....IN GOD WE TRUST....seems very christian to me!

Ever watch a video on which a thread is based? It's explained in the video.

And, which God is referring to?

God of Abraham (Christians, Jews, Muslims)?

Vishnu for Hindus?

The Kami of Shintoism?

The single God of 99 names of Sikhism?

Iya the Sioux God?

Isis the Egyptian God?

Kanati the Cherokee God?

Buddha?

The many Gods of Jainism?


Simply saying, "God," is very vague as humanity has many.

Nice list.

However, you left out Kabunyan - the Igorot God.

Where are the rest of the complaints?

a reply to: Gorman91

Probably should read Luther if you don't get it.

Already did.

Kinda funny to call me a simple mind on that one.

Kinda funny to call Mojom a simple mind when you yourself are a simple mind.

Goodbye.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

It's a pity you don't get it even after reading Luther, then. Especially because it was specifically pointed to by Madison.

Kinda funny to call someone a simple mind without proof when you seem incapable of understanding Madison's reference to Luther.

a reply to: Gorman91

Kinda funny to call someone a simple mind

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originally posted by: Gorman91
a reply to: mOjOm

Awe too bad. Yes, I am a prick. Yes, I am talking down. Because I find it hilarious how you, along with everyone else, is an utter failure at understanding the difference between what you don't like, and what should be illegal.

I'd even call it pathetic.

And if that makes you run away, such a pity.

Just because I think you're being a jerk doesn't mean I'm running away and you can think whatever you want for all I care.

You can't seem to disagree with anyone without also implying how silly, stupid, pathetic, weak, etc. they are at the same time. I don't know why you do it, perhaps it's just your way of feeling superior or stroking your ego, I'm not sure, but I don't care to hear it.

I don't remember talking to you like that and I find it pointless to engage in a conversation with you doing it to me.

Is that cool, or would you like to throw some more insults my way first???

a reply to: mOjOm

Oh but I am stroking my ego though. I think I have a right to. I find myself superior to you because I know the true origins of the separation of church and state and you do not. I insulted you because you hilariously assumed that because I think people have right x that I think that particular use of that right is good.

a reply to: Gorman91

I find myself superior to you because I know the true origins of the separation of church and state and you do not.

Uh yes we do. We are not disputing it. How in the world does it have to do with THIS topic? You are inserting things into this thread which have NOTHING to do with the topic.

WHO CARES how the USA came to be? We ALL KNOW HOW! Our nation is STILL secular!

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Secular in not bowing to a head of faith.

originally posted by: Gorman91
a reply to: mOjOm

Oh but I am stroking my ego though. I think I have a right to.

Yes, I know.

I find myself superior to you because I know the true origins of the separation of church and state and you do not.

Congratulations. I disagree. You also think Secular means having a Christian Perspective about everything. I think you're wrong. So does the definition of Secular. But don't let stop you.

I insulted you because you hilariously assumed that because I think people have right x that I think that particular use of that right is good.

Well, at least you admit it.

Are we through now?

a reply to: Gorman91

Secular in not bowing to a head of faith.

See? Like I said you are agreeing without understanding why. Why are you even trying to antagonize the posters in this thread?

a reply to: mOjOm

nah, because you're using the 21st century definition of secular, not the 18th century one.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

So if I make a state regulation allowing morning prayer as a policy in a public school if the local administration desires it, you should have no problem then?

originally posted by: Gorman91
nah, because you're using the 21st century definition of secular, not the 18th century one.

I think you're referring to the Renaissance era when "secular" indeed carried a meaning that was more akin to, "not in the monastery."

Secular Humanism is what you're referring to for the 18th Century (Jefferson and Pane often admitted to being secular humanists), and at the time, saw no conflict between reason and faith -- the two being separate.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Yeppers.

It's been a long time since I've read about all of that... Thanks for the reminder.

a reply to: Gorman91

What has Albania got to do with the constitution of the USA
Or the meaning of "Secular" of which "Non Religious" is a synonym ?

I am non religious
Yet I believe in a Higher Being
I see no religion that represents my way of thinking
I do see like minded people however
We discuss such matters
As a pursuit of philosophy and a deeper understanding