NLBS #48: The United States Is Not, And Never Was, A Christian Nation

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

America was built by the impetus of mostly Christian white men, who violated their Christians values to do so. That actual work that went into the building of America came from the blood, sweat and tears of slaves and impoverished and disenfranchised immigrants of all walks of life.

a reply to: windword

I could even go as far as to suggest that at least Islamic nations have the balls to come right out and make their religion part of their political structure and don't hide behind some impossible idea that the religious beliefs of 75% of Americans don't effect the politics of the country...

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

I am confused on which side you are on? I gave you a star for the other post where you thanked a guy for clearing it up.

You can't convince me that the overwhelming christian population have have no affect or influence in American politics or political decision making.

Give examples. We all know about gay weddings. What other examples?



Moral Majority failed miserably.

Do you require further explanation or are you able to comprehend that simple explanation?

I comprehend just fine.

What examples do you need? Do you think that my supplying any example in this instance will convince you of what is a simple philosophical concept? Democracy by definition gives power to the people... A people who are by a vast majority christian... But NO!In no way does their religious conviction effect their political decisions?

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Oh bother! As has been said, Islamic nations' laws are enacted under the Koran and are interpreted by their religious leaders. That's not the case in the US. Our laws aren't based on the Bible. Adultery, for example isn't illegal here.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

America was built by the impetus of mostly Christian white men, who violated their Christians values to do so. That actual work that went into the building of America came from the blood, sweat and tears of slaves and impoverished and disenfranchised immigrants of all walks of life.

Now that's a fascinating point of view that is probably true! I'm not sure that it applies here though.

Are you suggesting that christians regularly violate their belief, values and morals when making political decision?

They just put all of that stuff aside right?

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

What examples do you need? Do you think that my supplying any example in this instance will convince you of what is a simple philosophical concept?

You are the one who made that claim.

Let me spell it out for you -

This nation IS NOT AND NEVER WAS Christian. It is secular!

Many Christians want Christianity taught in public schools for example. The constitution does not allow that!

Separation of church and state remember?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Oh bother! As has been said, Islamic nations' laws are enacted under the Koran and are interpreted by their religious leaders. That's not the case in the US. Our laws aren't based on the Bible. Adultery, for example isn't illegal here.

Oh dear! That just leaves the question of why "Team America World Police" insist on gallivanting around the world violently enforcing their own political ideas about freedom, justice and what have you...

How do you define religion?

Please... Tell me that the American political system is not pursuing its own religious agenda...

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Are you suggesting that christians regularly violate their belief, values and morals when making political decision?

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No. Not really. I'm saying that our secular laws violate biblical laws. Banking and charging interest are forbidden, for example. The USA gained land by stealing it from the Native Americans, wars are fought over economic advancement in the name of the "American lifestyle" while people are starving elsewhere. Our borders keep people out of the country, and the government decides who's worthy of entry, amnesty and asylum, which violates biblical law.

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Tell me that the American political system is not pursuing its own religious agenda

Of course there are always corrupted politicians with their hidden agendas.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

In the UK we have a monarch at the head of the Church of England
Religious Education used to be taught in all state schools
But since an influx of many other religions it is was deemed wiser for such lessons to explore all other religions whilst promoting none.

Some call this political correctness

Of course one can send one's children to non state schools ... that promote their own particular religion.

Or even school one's children at home
Religion is not required to be taught by state inspectors of such schools

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

What examples do you need? Do you think that my supplying any example in this instance will convince you of what is a simple philosophical concept?

You are the one who made that claim.

Let me spell it out for you -

This nation IS NOT AND NEVER WAS Christian. It is secular!

Many Christians want Christianity taught in public schools for example. The constitution does not allow that!

Separation of church and state remember?

I think that your separation of church and state is far more flimsy than you realize... Broaden your definition of religion to something resembling the truth and we may have something discuss.

It doesn't matter how how mush you separate church and state. This thread is proof that people are unable to. A predominately christian nation will always have the majority of the effect on politics. To believe otherwise is ludicrous!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Are you suggesting that christians regularly violate their belief, values and morals when making political decision?

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No. Not really. I'm saying that our secular laws violate biblical laws. Banking and charging interest are forbidden, for example. The USA gained land by stealing it from the Native Americans, wars are fought over economic advancement in the name of the "American lifestyle" while people are starving elsewhere. Our borders keep people out of the country, and the government decides who's worthy of entry, amnesty and asylum, which violates biblical law.

True... However I still don't see how almost 75% of the american populations religion doesn't affect the country's politics and political decisions.

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

A predominately christian nation will always have the majority of the effect on politics. To believe otherwise is ludicrous!

Um do you realize how many denominations there are in the USA? They all disagree with each other on the Bible interpretations? Wouldn't they cancel each other?

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Tell me that the American political system is not pursuing its own religious agenda

Of course there are always corrupted politicians with their hidden agendas.

en.wikipedia.org...

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

Sorry... I'll try to make my explanations simpler in the future.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

A predominately christian nation will always have the majority of the effect on politics. To believe otherwise is ludicrous!

Um do you realize how many denominations there are in the USA? They all disagree with each other on the Bible interpretations? Wouldn't they cancel each other?

Why would they cancel each other? They only need to agree on the vast commonalities that are present between them!

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Sorry... I'll try to make my explanations simpler in the future.

You had to look up what religion means? And to try to explain to me what it means? And insult me?

Oh my word. Just wow.

a reply to: Gorman91

Non Religious is a synonym of secular

A synonym is a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language. Words that are synonyms are said to be synonymous, and the state of being a synonym is called synonymy

a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Why would they cancel each other?

Oh. My. God.

Let me try this one more very slowly. This is an example OK?

Some Christians don't believe that homosexuality is a sin and they are ok with gay weddings. Some believe that it's a sin and gay weddings shouldn't be allowed.

They cancel each other right?

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Sorry... I'll try to make my explanations simpler in the future.

You had to look up what religion means? And to try to explain to me what it means? And insult me?

Oh my word. Just wow.

No... I didn't have too.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: hudsonhawk69

Why would they cancel each other?

Oh. My. God.

Let me try this one more very slowly. This is an example OK?

Some Christians don't believe that homosexuality is a sin and they are ok with gay weddings. Some believe that it's a sin and gay weddings shouldn't be allowed.

They cancel each other right?

WOW! Nice way to mis-quote me. Congratulation you found ONE thing! Your point is made.

Clearly I am wrong.

All those christian religions have NOTHING in common...

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha.