MH17-Ukrainian BUK ?

originally posted by: TorinoFer
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Funny how people still don't accept that US and their puppets can do false flags, even after 9/11

Funny how others still don't accept that Putin and his puppets can do false flags, even after the Russian apartment bombings.

a reply to: DJW001

Lol prove it

And even if he did, US killed 4000 own citizens and million dead foreigners in the next 10 years

Compare that in your pipe and smoke it.

a reply to: TorinoFer

Funny how people still don't accept that US and their puppets can do false flags, even after 9/11

And Russia knows all about false flags...

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Coming from you

I won't bother watching propaganda.

I got some Loose Change for ya.

Look it up on YouTube

a reply to: TorinoFer

I got some Loose Change for ya.

And you say you won't watch propaganda...Loose Change, really?

a reply to: TorinoFer

Thank you for proving my point. You need to make a conscious effort of will not to see Russian state terrorism.

a reply to: TorinoFer

Coming from you

Prove it's propaganda...bet you can't?

originally posted by: TorinoFer
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Coming from you

I won't bother watching propaganda.

I got some Loose Change for ya.

Look it up on YouTube

Feel free to create a thread about loose change you know it was wrong. Proven to distort the facts and basically gave incorrect information. However the Russian apartment bombings we re diffrent Putin got caught red handed. There is no doubt it was Putin's pals being 5 he former head of The SBU. And because of it he got the presidency. Only two I can think that can be proved. Gulf of Tonkin and Moscow apartment bombings. With all the investigations that went into 911 it wasn't a false flag at all. Well besides the SaudiIncvolvement being covered up. But that was after the fact Putin directly ordered people killed to gain power. And it doesn't bother you he wad willing to kill 100s of families to do it??

So, what ever happened to that Irrefutable evidence that US had that Russia supplied BUKs?


The QUIETNESS from america tells all that there needs to be told. . .

originally posted by: AtomicBullet

So, what ever happened to that Irrefutable evidence that US had that Russia supplied BUKs?


The QUIETNESS from america tells all that there needs to be told. . .

Your backtracking that was covered earlier whereally the US Released Information At A Press confrence. In fact showed information in launch detection and gave the press information on Russia shipping Buks across the border.And even made the conversations between Moscow and the pro russians. You know the one where they tell Moscow they shot it down. And of course later admit they made a mistake. But far more has been released since than so it's really pointless. The Dutch are running the show now they are the ones preparing for trials.

Oh and welcome to ATS love it when we get new people.

a reply to: dragonridr

May I see the source?


Of course if united states had the evidence that you say they do - - well, it would be plastered all over MSM. . .


So where is it?



Thank you for welcoming me. That was sweet of you.

originally posted by: AtomicBullet
a reply to: dragonridr

May I see the source?


Of course if united states had the evidence that you say they do - - well, it would be plastered all over MSM. . .


So where is it?



Thank you for welcoming me. That was sweet of you.

It was a press release
www.washingtonpost.com... a85133bc9_graphic.html

a reply to: dragonridr

Where's the Russian press release?

a reply to: dragonridr

Update the link please.

"Page Not Found"

a reply to: dragonridr

LoL - - just a washington post story?

Well sh*t, that answers everything haha.



Again, if it was irrefutable - - where is the meat & potatoes?


Russia called out united states to prove it - - YET - - SILENCE. . . .

Sshhhhhh

a reply to: AtomicBullet

What is the Russian position on MH 17?

originally posted by: AtomicBullet
a reply to: dragonridr

LoL - - just a washington post story?

Well sh*t, that answers everything haha.



Again, if it was irrefutable - - where is the meat & potatoes?


Russia called out united states to prove it - - YET - - SILENCE. . . .

Sshhhhhh

Russia made a grandiose statement for show the information was released. Doesn't matter if you or anyone else want to dispute the satellite data or the photos they released. But as I said doesn't matier when you have voice confessions. All the Dutch needed to do is verify it was a Buk and they did that. Now we wait for the trial.

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: AtomicBullet

What is the Russian position on MH 17?

Depends on the week and what information has come out that they can use to spin their lie further.

People like to argue Ukraine immediately blamed Russia yet they fail to mention Russia immediately blamed Ukraine. In fact they blamed them to the point of being caught editing their version of Wikipedia to note that MH17 was brought down by Ukraine. Russia then argue, along with Russian forces in Ukraine, that rebels don't have BUKS when in reality Russian media had run stories of the rebels obtaining those weapons.

Then it was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. Then it was shot down with bullets from a Ukrainian fighter jet. Then the manufacturer of the SU25 stated the SU25 cant climb to the altitude in question. The missile supposedly used was heat seeking, even though the impact damage occurred at the front of the aircraft.

Now that the investigation is showing it was a BUK that brought it down Russia is now back to blaming Ukraine.

Its the same story on Crimea where their reasons / justifications change every other week.

a reply to: AtomicBullet

I don't see Russia releasing the information they have that shows it was a Ukrainian BUK. Perhaps you can post Russia's proof.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I covered a lot of those scenarios at the beginning of the thread. It's just so hard to keep up with all the stuff coming out of thr Russian media. (Rolls eyes)

The question I ask that poster, works pretty well by design. The key to propaganda is not getting pinned down. That's why I ask them questions so they have to pin theirselves down in order to answer.

I'm sure you've seen some of my favorite questions.

What is the Russian position?

Show me three articles critical of Putin from Russian controlled media?

Why does Russian media scream for the investigation and proof when they know it's not due till October 2015?


There's more questions, they come in handy to get out from under the fictitious and fanciful replies some of these people give.