Freddie Gray sustained head injury that matches bolt in back of police van - Law enforcement states

Whilst there are mind altering drugs, large screen TVs, Nike running shoes, Apple watches to be looted. The burning won't stop.

It would be of interest to know where the 'said' bolt was in relation to where he was seated. Would he have been able to hit the bolt if he was buckled in as he should have been? Either way, I think a good attorney will also pursue the company that did the paddy wagon conversion or vehicle manufacture in their lawsuit. If in fact the bolt inflicted injury.

a reply to: mtnshredder

I wonder too, also the van space is very or incredible constricted, it kind of make you think more about how he fell.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

except that after the fact the police talked to another person riding in the back with Gray who said that Gray didn't do anything at all during the ride, he just sat there

originally posted by: Jimpix
a reply to: Vasa Croe

except that after the fact the police talked to another person riding in the back with Gray who said that Gray didn't do anything at all during the ride, he just sat there

Sat there with an 80% evulsion. How is that possible?

He could have tried to do a flip and landed on his bonce? He certainly looked limp in the video but I would imagine it's pretty hard to crush vertebrae and sever a spine during an arrest, no matter how brutal, perhaps if they performed a pile driver on him? Not really SOP though, arrests are more holds and arm locks.

Then if he were a paraplegic why would the police stop, put him in irons and stuff?

I'm not saying i know, if it were self caused and the police stopped the van and knew then surely the best thing to do would be to call an ambulance? Unless they were panicking and trying to cover up what they knew they had done?

Of course, he could have been banging about and he made his fatal last self harming attempt after the last stop, I mean if he were banging about and you had to stop 5 times it's not a stretch of the imagination that you forget a stop, especially if they stopped seconds apart.

Will be an interesting case.

originally posted by: Jimpix
a reply to: Vasa Croe

except that after the fact the police talked to another person riding in the back with Gray who said that Gray didn't do anything at all during the ride, he just sat there

Is there a source for that...having another passenger that is? As far as I know there was only one other person in the van in the back.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: texasgirl

Did you check on the new view of the video of his arrest, where it shows that his legs were no working at all, a lady screaming in the background that his leg was broken.

This is going to get another turn and is going to make the police looks worst that they are with the lies.

Ridiculous. He was standing on the platform on the back of the van after his arrest, he turned his head to look back at the officers, then ducked down and stepped in. There was nothing wrong with his legs after the initial arrest.

I even posted pics of this numerous times in other threads.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

He was in pain Vasa and he was favoring one leg, is clear in the video.

They gave Freddy what they call a "screen test!" They sit him next to the back doors and take off at a good rate of speed. When they reach a high mph they slam on the breaks and the person goes flying forward into metal door that is in between the driver and the prisoners. They call this a "screen test"This is most likely what happened( I think). reply to: misskat1

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: hammanderr
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The protesting masses don't care what happened. He could have broken his neck while attempting to grab a cops gun.

If Baltimore is unprotected they will attack.

It's depressing that you got so many stars for that bs

Don't you think, just maybe, after decades of police violence people have a damn right to be suspicious?
And how about this sudden change of story from the other arrestee in the back of the van, who first said Gray was unresponsive, and now says he was banging his own head against the van?

And how does a prisoner in a van cause severing of 80% of their spine, AND cause the crushing of their own damn larynx?

Unless he hit his own head against the van with enough force to break his own neck, and then managed to find something to slam the front of his own neck down on to crush his own larynx, I can't see how the hell anyone can claim that he did this to himself.

Crushing of the larynx can only occur from pressure at the front or to the sides of the front of the throat. I CANNOT be done by banging your head against anything.

So the police and national guard should stand aside while these people destroy Baltimore? The point is that looting the city of Baltimore has nothing to do with seeking justice for Freddy Grey. Baltimore has paid out millions to people who have made complaints against the police, people are getting justice when they're being mistreated.

Freddy Grey was a career, lifetime, committed criminal, he brought this on himself. Ever heard the saying, "there's old goats and bold goats, but there's no old bold goats."? Well, this is why. Career criminals get themselves dead or in prison, one way or another. Mike Brown accomplished it a few years younger than Freddy Grey, but they both pulled it off.

originally posted by: Jimpix
a reply to: Vasa Croe

except that after the fact the police talked to another person riding in the back with Gray who said that Gray didn't do anything at all during the ride, he just sat there

Funny to see this false narrative is being bandied about as fact now.

No amount of evidence, facts, or videotapes will change these peoples minds.

Hands up, don't shoot V 2.0.

a reply to: MoreBeer
Cause there is reports of it being said, just like you were more then ready to accept as fact that the man that could not see Mr gray could tell he was trying to hurt himself.

Again, acting like you don't do the very thing you criticize.

So it's likely he injured himself on purpose. Bet no one will care.

originally posted by: MoreBeer

originally posted by: Jimpix
a reply to: Vasa Croe

except that after the fact the police talked to another person riding in the back with Gray who said that Gray didn't do anything at all during the ride, he just sat there

Funny to see this false narrative is being bandied about as fact now.

No amount of evidence, facts, or videotapes will change these peoples minds.

Hands up, don't shoot V 2.0.

Ignorance.

"All I heard was a little banging for like four seconds," 22-year-old Donte Allen told local NBC affiliate WBAL. "I just heard a little banging."

Asked if he told police that he heard Gray banging his head against the van, Allen provided WBAL with a conflicting reply: "I told homicide that. I don't work for the police. I didn't tell the police nothing."

www.nbcnews.com...

So Gray did indeed bang against the van.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why cause one guy who couldnt see him said so?

That makes sense.

And what your source is saying th opposite, that he just heard brief banging.

1) He goes into the van limp, yelling, conscious, but appearing in pain from something that might have affected his legs.

2) The van makes several stops at various times and it is assumed for reporting, procedure, and such.

3) No witnesses who were also in the van claimed erratic driving at such extremes. In fact the other prisoner in the van said it was a smooth ride and he heard banging for "4 seconds"

4) We know now that the injuries were sustained INSIDE the van.

5) Coroner stated head trauma that matches bolt INSIDE van.

6) Fatal injury to neck happened INSIDE van.

7) The cops were calm on arrival and when handcuffing Freddie. This was a simple contact of drug suspicion.

The cops hopping inside the van with Freddie and beating the life out of him makes no sense. There would be almost zero motive to risk an entire career over a habitual drug dealer and user who was in and out of jail (so many times it makes me wonder why we even have a 'drug war'. but that's a side note) And said cops would be STUPID to kill a guy right next to another passenger who would be able to hear such commotion.

So it looks like the only one, for now, in Freddie's side of the van, was Freddie. During what was described as a smooth ride.

Could he have injured himself so bad he killed himself? Was he trying to attempt an escape or have some rage event that backfired? Dunno. This is weird.

It's ATS though, I could also go the route that there was an evil spirit entity in his side of the van that decided he had to die and decided to kill him, but that would be a movie script.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

One key factor in all that, the second man was only only in there from the last stop to the station.

He can't say it was a smooth ride the whole time.

en a handcuffed Freddie Gray was placed in a Baltimore police van on April 12, he was talking and breathing. When the 25-year-old emerged, "he could not talk and he could not breathe," according to one police official, and he died a week later of a spinal injury.

But Gray is not the first person to come out of a Baltimore police wagon with serious injuries.

Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.

www.baltimoresun.com...=1

So looks like there is a history of this kind of thing at Baltimore pd........

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Ya think this is the third or fourth case involving them giving rough rides