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originally posted by: texasgirl
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: andy1972
So, what do we have here?
1 - A neck broken ny 80%.
2 - A crushed windpipe.
3 - A head injury.
Will the real killer please stand up...
Was the crushed windpipe ever actually confirmed?
The family made a statement that he injured his voicebox. They didn't specifically say it was crushed. So... Who knows?
originally posted by: misskat1
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Evidently he isnt the first person to be hurt while taking a ride in the back of a police van. www.baltimoresun.com...=1
originally posted by: butcherguy
Could Freddie have done it to himself?
This doctor says not likely.
NY Daily News
Dr. Samadi is a board-certified urologic oncologist trained in open and traditional and laparoscopic surgery, and an expert in robotic prostate surgery.
University of South Carolina professor Geoffrey Alpert, an expert in police force, said rough rides are also known as "screen tests." When police cars or vans had screens between the front and back seats, drivers would stop short — "to avoid a dog" — sending a handcuffed prisoner flying face-first into the screen, he said.
"Cops used to laugh about it. That was big in the 1980s and 1990s," Alpert said. "It was obviously against policy and illegal. I remember in some trainings that police chiefs would say, 'You'd better bring the damn dog you were trying to avoid if you come in with a prisoner with such an injury.'"
originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: NavyDoc
I was in a Navy helicopter in 1986 (same one that is in my avatar) standing in the cargo door watching the tail rotor that we had just replaced. I was wearing a gunner's belt. That tail rotor started to wobble, I yell to the pilot to get us back on to the ship and that's all I remember until waking up in Medical. They told me that the helo pitched one way and then the other. The gunner's belt played crack the whip with me and threw me into the fuselage. Broke both bones in my forearm in two places, broken humorous, broken collarbone, cracked ribs and split my helmet. We weren't moving that fast either, it was just the wrong way at the wrong time.
If his feet were shackled to the van and he didn't have a seatbelt, his feet could have remained stationary and the rest of his body could have acted like a whip with his head and neck taking the impact.
originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: NavyDoc
Also possible they gave him a "rough ride", driving and turning erratically while a prisoner isn't buckled in safely.
The events that led up to McKenna’s injuries began on the night of June 23, 2011. McKenna was at a bar in Center City having drinks. Police claim they arrested McKenna after he punched a bartender. McKenna says this is not true, he claims that he was jumped by an off duty police officer who didn’t like the way McKenna was talking to a girl at the bar. The off-duty officer then called for his on-duty friends. When Philly cops showed up in the police wagon, McKenna alleges that the off-duty officer told the police to “# this guy up.” The officer denied saying that. McKenna was then handcuffed and put in the van, but not strapped in. He said police accelerated and decelerated the wagon, knocking him to the floor four times. After the last tumble, he said, he couldn’t stand. “I couldn’t muster the strength,” he said. McKenna’s injuries included three broken neck vertebrae and two ruptured neck discs. Read more at thefreethoughtproject.com...
If Gray's neck was already injured when he was placed in the van, it may not have taken a rough ride to render him unable to speak or breathe, as he was when officers retrieved him from the vehicle, said Dr. Ali Bydon, an associate professor of neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. And video of Gray standing at the back of the van before being placed inside is not necessarily proof that his spine was uninjured before the ride, he said.
"It can be a progressive, cumulative loss of function if the spinal cord is unstable and unprotected," Bydon said. "You don't need tremendous force to follow up on further injury to the spine — a force you and me can take because we have stable necks, but that an unstable neck cannot withstand."
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: butcherguy
In Baltimore is only 200 thousand, because the city has a law that limit the pay outs for injuries to no more than that.
Now the "mysterious" stop that the Van driver forgot about and never did any log of it, is starting to look like a cover up.
But as usual he "probably just forgot" and is just an "innocent" mistake.
originally posted by: retiredTxn
If Gray's neck was already injured when he was placed in the van, it may not have taken a rough ride to render him unable to speak or breathe, as he was when officers retrieved him from the vehicle, said Dr. Ali Bydon, an associate professor of neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. And video of Gray standing at the back of the van before being placed inside is not necessarily proof that his spine was uninjured before the ride, he said.
"It can be a progressive, cumulative loss of function if the spinal cord is unstable and unprotected," Bydon said. "You don't need tremendous force to follow up on further injury to the spine — a force you and me can take because we have stable necks, but that an unstable neck cannot withstand."
Baltimore Sun
I thought this was interesting. Kind of getting a fresh view of what may have happened. I said may.
There are many possibilities, and I pray time leads us to a just decision on what did happen, and which direction this incident actually goes. Even the Fox News medical expert stated banging your head on a wall will not produce the injuries Freddie Gray sustained.
And summer ain't even here yet!