Freddie Gray had spinal surgery a week before the arrest ??

a reply to: Sremmos80

You've got to be kidding me…put your hands behind your back like your cuffed and your feet together like your shackled and now lay down…if you can do that you can throw your weight just about anywhere without the use of hands or feet…momentum my friend. I think your being disingenuous and you already know this but hey it is what it is. I can see where one who has experienced the taste of money that comes with settlements may have the bright idea to do it again…and at the same time get some retribution on those nasty ol cops that always come around harassing people…then again that could all be BS too. I'd just sit back and wait for the trial and see what evidence is actually involved for sure rather than speculate this or that and go all full boar into believing it.

ETA: this also didn't even address how you can still walk and use your legs when your all cuffed and shackled up. I've been in them I know

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ANNED

Just as i was writing this post the TV news reported that the other prisoner in the paddy wagon with gray claims he was throwing him self around the van trying to injure himself so he could blame the cops.

How? If he was shackled and handcuffed how could he possibly throw him self around?

And where did you read that he has suits from accidents, sources please.

I don't think he was shackled immediately. They put them on him after their first (or second?) stop.

The leaked document is a statement from a unnamed prisoner....easily could of cut a deal to get out of jail, to be part of the cover up.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Sure he can think all he wants.

Did he know that he was in there with no restraints?

And he wasn't in there the whole time, he got picked up after so he would not know how the van was driven the whole time.

originally posted by: game over man
The leaked document is a statement from a unnamed prisoner....easily could of cut a deal to get out of jail, to be part of the cover up.

True. That is very possible. Or he could be telling the truth.

a reply to: Sremmos80

please,

i would think the other prisoner would know if it was because the driver was giving them a rough ride that the banging was from that, even if the said prisoner was buckled up or not. you know like sound coming when they turned sharp or slammed on the brakes, hit pot holes. but if just driving normally and you hear banging and hell raising, metal wall or not it wouldn't be hard to tell, or at least a educated guess.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc

Sure he can think all he wants.

Did he know that he was in there with no restraints?

And he wasn't in there the whole time, he got picked up after so he would not know how the van was driven the whole time.

I see what you are saying, but if the van was going straight and the other prisoner hears and feels banging against the walls, how else could the other guy be thrown against the walls?

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

He wasn't in the van the whole time, just the last six blocks

And yes, he can think and say what he wants.

But I think it needs to be taken into account he could not see Mr. Gray so what he is saying is just his guess.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Not necessarily.. it is possible that the injury occurred during take down, but then was exacerbated, as I already explained earlier, during the van ride.

Once you get a spinal injury, if it is serious enough, it is possible that at that point moving wrongly, even something innocent such as turning your head, can exacerbate the injury.

That is what the EMT's have backboards for. If there is a chance of a spinal injury, you have to completely stabilize the spine.. if you don't, and the injury is serious enough, you very well could die from moving wrong.

From my best guess, he was injured enough during the take down that he probably should never have been put in the van, the EMT's should have looked at him to determine injury - backboard if necessary.

However, if you are a cop and once a week you have an arrest that is not cooperative, and after two years of averaging this once a week.. you simply wouldn't think much about someone being seriously injured. That to me is something between ignorance, and assumption.. assuming this person is just being difficult, like everyone else who runs.

a reply to: Sremmos80

He couldn't see him, he thinks he was doing it intentionally.

But that doesn't matter right? He said it so it must be true.

Yep! I just heard on MSNBC that they're already "leaking" that Freddie Gray was deliberately thrashing around, trying to harm himself.

SUICIDE!

a reply to: NavyDoc

Does it address the driving conditions in the article?

I didn't see it but I could have missed it.

a reply to: Sremmos80

plus gray must have been doing something to make the driver stop and place leg irons on him.
leg irons aren't always the kind that are bolted to the floor.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Note this:

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

The other prisoner definitely heard banging, but didn't see what was happening.

Given as bad as his leg was in the video, somehow, I doubt he was jumping around banging himself up.

An interesting statement from the other prisoner, nonetheless, because either way, the implications are pretty big.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Do they have cameras or sound in those vans? It is possible that they do, I think most transport vehicles in most cities do, and we might later find out what really happened in the van.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Does that change anything? Would that justify them roughing him up some how?

You are right, they are not always the ones that are bolted to the floor, they can be the ones that hook up to the handcuffs and hog tie ya.

If this claim has any truth, Gray was probably in pain asking for medical attention anyway he could being shackled up, and the driver to stop. Where is the statement from the other passenger saying all of a sudden Gray in the back became dead silent??? Yeah thought so....So Gray committed suicide? He would know how bad his injury was right? Or is Gray an idiot all around? Very suspicious claim.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

I haven't seen them before, but ya that would settle everything.

a reply to: Sremmos80

have you ever had those on? they do not completely stop your movement, just limit it.
you still have mobility. and if on your back or sitting you can still move your upper body.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc

Does it address the driving conditions in the article?

I didn't see it but I could have missed it.

It doesn't. I was simply pointing out the conditions where somone could logically state that his fellow passenger was throwing himself against the walls and not the actions of the driver even without being able to see his fellow passenger.

He was alive but unable to breathe when he arrived so this means the final injury must have occurred toward the end of the ride, otherwise, logically, he would have been deceased already. One does not live very long if one cannot breathe.

Is it possible he had the initial fracture before he got into the van but then the fragments moved and caused the final subluxation and evulsion when he was thrashing about toward the end? Of course it's possible.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: game over man
The leaked document is a statement from a unnamed prisoner....easily could of cut a deal to get out of jail, to be part of the cover up.

True. That is very possible. Or he could be telling the truth.

What would be the point for him to cooperate anyway? Would that other passenger have to make a statement regardless?