Freddie Gray had spinal surgery a week before the arrest ??

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

I watch the video, yes, he was in pain alright, perhaps one of the officers may have put a knee behind his head while keeping him pined to the floor.

Do you have a link to the autopsy report? because I can not believe that they only found the neck injury, but still that was enough to kill him.

People are waiting for that report to come out.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

The nerves in your back connect to everything else. a damaged nerve in your back, can mean no feeling in your one or both of your legs.. Most people who are paralyzed, which means no feeling in some body part such as arms or legs, are paralyzed due to a spinal injury.

His leg could very well be a result of the spinal injury. It appears he had paralysis in that leg at that point.

From the looks of it, he was injured, but the cops went on the assumption that he was still fighting the arrest - or not cooperating with the arrest even though he was now in custody.

That does happen, a lot actually. Their assumption was obviously very wrong.. but many people refuse to cooperate even once they are handcuffed.

I think this whole thing is just sad.. all the way around. But I also think it was a lot of ignorance, all the way around.

Do people on ATS think that the man was so fragile that some roughing around would kill him instantly that Gray would just let that happen to himself? That is some of the worst logic I have ever heard! Don't you think before the police killed him, if his spinal injury was so sensitive that he would be screaming in agonizing pain?

I read through the first 7 pages or so, I didn't see anyone confirm this claim medically. Explain how it would be possible for him to go back to his normal life, then the first slight physical altercation would kill him. Because that is the logic coming from many ATSer's. "The police are good and he got what was coming."

a reply to: marg6043

No, I am just going off the words of the police commissioner. He said he has seen the autopsy report, and there were no other injuries on his body beyond his spine. I do not know if the report has been released to the public yet or not. I think cops get to see it before anyone else, or at least get notified first.

Imagine that someone propelled you at 25 mph into a wall... headfirst.
That is what it is like when you are lying in the back of a van, all shackled up, and the driver slows from 40 mph to 0 mph in 2 seconds.
That is why he had 3 crushed vertabrae.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


Thanks, I hope somebody post the entire report here in ATS once it comes out, so we can see more of it.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

I had thought about that, however he was conscious and yelling in pain, and still could move other parts of his body. The deadly injury was to his neck, which means if his neck was already broken, he'd be completely paralyzed. If it was an injury to his lower back, I could see that. But given that in the video, he is still conscious and moving painfully, his spinal cord had not been severed, and his neck not injured (I saw him move his head once or twice).

From what I've seen in the videos (I watched three so far, don't know how many there are), they all seem to show that Freddy was injured in his leg and in pain, but still awake and still moving his head and shoulders. So the neck injury had not happened yet.

From what i read here he has had two major payouts from lawsuits over injuries from accidents.

Could he have been trying to set up third by say ramming he head into the wall of the paddy wagon while being transported.

Then blaming the cops.

But because he was on crack and/or meth over did it and fatally broke his own neck.

As a EMT i ran into a few of what we called Professional accident victims.
And they would sue anyone even EMTs.

www.dmv.org...
www.abbynews.com...
www.youtube.com...

Just as i was writing this post the TV news reported that the other prisoner in the paddy wagon with gray claims he was throwing him self around the van trying to injure himself so he could blame the cops.

i am now thinking we have another Michal brown type case where what really happened is nothing like what people claimed happened.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Imagine that someone propelled you at 25 mph into a wall... headfirst.
That is what it is like when you are lying in the back of a van, all shackled up, and the driver slows from 40 mph to 0 mph in 2 seconds.
That is why he had 3 crushed vertabrae.

Sounds like the villain played by Kurt Russell in the grind house movie by Tarantino Death Proof. What a sick cowardly cop if that is how it went down.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf





Thanks, I hope somebody post the entire report here in ATS once it comes out, so we can see more of it.

It looks like we'll be waiting longer. Releasing the report too soon will endanger the investigation, they said. I don't think we're going to know the autopsy results Friday, after all.

here this just in .

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.
Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘banging against the walls’ during ride

i started to include this when i stated that he was rasing hell in the van that these could be self inflicted wounds, didn't want to catch all the flame that would have come my way.

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: butcherguy

Imagine that someone propelled you at 25 mph into a wall... headfirst.

That is what it is like when you are lying in the back of a van, all shackled up, and the driver slows from 40 mph to 0 mph in 2 seconds.

That is why he had 3 crushed vertabrae.

Sounds like the villain played by Kurt Russell in the grind house movie by Tarantino Death Proof. What a sick cowardly cop if that is how it went down.

Oh, god..I saw that movie. He was stuntman gone serial killer.

a reply to: ANNED

Finally the other person in the van speaks, but the anonymous person that spoke about the incident said that no body touch him in the van but that he was already injured when he entered the van.

This sounds like conflicting reports now.

Lo and behold the blame game is going around.

a reply to: ANNED

Just as i was writing this post the TV news reported that the other prisoner in the paddy wagon with gray claims he was throwing him self around the van trying to injure himself so he could blame the cops.

How? If he was shackled and handcuffed how could he possibly throw him self around?
And where did you read that he has suits from accidents, sources please.

a reply to: texasgirl

I don't know what to think anymore, this latest news that are coming from the other person in the van is throwing everything we thought we knew out of the door.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

How about we read the whole thing?

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him.

He couldn't see him, he thinks he was doing it intentionally.

But that doesn't matter right? He said it so it must be true.

The third stop was to put the other prisoner — a 38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van. The van was then driven six blocks to the Western District station. Gray was taken from there to a hospital, where he died April 19.

Another thing, he was in the van for 6 blocks, he was not in there the whole time.
I notice they also don't talk about how the driving was.

Me thinks this other prisoner is looking for a sweet deal.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Maybe gray was hopped up when arrested.

Hmmm.

Watch the videos, read the witness reports. Clearly he was hurt while being placed on the ground, or otherwise on the pavement.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

How about we read the whole thing?

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him.

He couldn't see him, he thinks he was doing it intentionally.

But that doesn't matter right? He said it so it must be true.

If you are on one side of a partition and you hear somone bandwagon banging about, since you are in the same vehicle, would you not be able to come to an opinion if said banging about was caused by the vehicle or the person?

If you are driving straight and evenly and you hear a body slamming against the wall when the vehicle isn't swerving or breaking, it is reasonable to figure out that the person may be doing it intentionally.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

The Coroner's Report will be a clincher. It's not often you'll see a medical professional telling lies to cover someone else's eff-up. And, coroners are typically very deliberate/OCD types, based on my personal experiences.

The repeat autopsies in the Mike Brown case emphasize my point above. You can bet the question of a second exam was foremost in the mind of this guy.