Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

a reply to: Char-Lee

So an article tells you it is all normal and that is it, no research?

I'm guessing you haven't read all of this thread, for IF you had you would have seen my opinion way back...

That's your bad...you presume too much.

I've already shown that it is next to impossible for 5 Walmart stores to be closed for the same reason. Even IF the design was the same in all stores...unless there was some underlying motive, it is my opinion that the motive is the typical one; money. In this case a way to "derail" a unionization movement without serious risk of prosecution...this view has far better evidence, logic, etc. than others.

Anyway, don't be so eager to jump to conclusions.


ETA: The confusion over Jade Helm 15 is primarily due to a serious lack of understanding the military and their methodology.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

In the final analysis the writer's journalistic credentials are irrelevant to the content. The big picture is that those pushing this Jade Helm/martial law/tunnels under Walmart conspiracy theory have become a laughingstock in the MSM and when September comes and goes and nothing like this happens legitimate critics of government overreach and military policy will be further discredited.

originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: Crowdpsychology

In the final analysis the writer's journalistic credentials are irrelevant to the content. The big picture is that those pushing this Jade Helm/martial law/tunnels under Walmart conspiracy theory have become a laughingstock in the MSM and when September comes and goes and nothing like this happens legitimate critics of government overreach and military policy will be further discredited.

And that is the real problem with this kind of "mongering" is that it actually does damage to legitimate critics, and "watch dogs"/ Helping the government to "get away" with increasingly more BS...limiting our freedom to ever greater extents.

a reply to: tanka418

And I forgot to add this also detracts from publicizing the real story of how Walmart shut down entire stores to quell union organizing.

By the way, here's an example from the New York Times of how the MSM is treating all this:

It’s hard not to be enthralled when Walmart denies that tunnels are being built under its stores to ferry troops into Texas where they will tear up the Constitution and confiscate everybody’s guns.

Hey, no laughing matter in Texas.

www.nytimes.com...

originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: tanka418

And I forgot to add this also detracts from publicizing the real story of how Walmart shut down entire stores to quell union organizing.

By the way, here's an example from the New York Times of how the MSM is treating all this:

It’s hard not to be enthralled when Walmart denies that tunnels are being built under its stores to ferry troops into Texas where they will tear up the Constitution and confiscate everybody’s guns.

Hey, no laughing matter in Texas.

www.nytimes.com...

That wee clip is laughable...I live in Texas, and the very first thing Jade Helm gets to deal with is the Texas Guard...a real military body not answerable to the DOD, but rather our Governor.

After that...they would have to deal with a few million armed Texans...who I assure you would remember the Alamo!

But, the real victims here are the employees of Walmart, they get it twice...first from Walmart, then from the mongers...

a reply to: tanka418

And that is the real problem with this kind of "mongering" is that it actually does damage to legitimate critics, and "watch dogs"/ Helping the government to "get away" with increasingly more BS...limiting our freedom to ever greater extents.

Scepticism is never a problem, nor should it be so.
If somebody really tries to limit our freedom to greater extends just because some folks tried to connect some silly dots, we would have even bigger problems.

So you think we better shut the # up to keep our tiny rest of freedom? Don't think so, no.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: tanka418

And that is the real problem with this kind of "mongering" is that it actually does damage to legitimate critics, and "watch dogs"/ Helping the government to "get away" with increasingly more BS...limiting our freedom to ever greater extents.

Scepticism is never a problem, nor should it be so.
If somebody really tries to limit our freedom to greater extends just because some folks tried to connect some silly dots, we would have even bigger problems.

So you think we better shut the # up to keep our tiny rest of freedom? Don't think so, no.

No that is NOT what I'm saying...What I am saying is that you should actually use your intelligence, apply at least a small amount of critical thinking. Actually collect viable, relevant data, and analyze it...

I'm all for more "freedom" than you know can exist, but along with freedom comes the responsibility to intelligently apply and use that freedom.

But, alas, as we can see here; there are those who would abuse their freedoms without a second thought, and visit harm upon their fellows...

You see, all of the "doom porn" above, has been exactly that; "Doom Porn"...just a collection of BS that has at the very best some tenuous connection to reality, and, absolutely NONE to the current subject. Then of course it was backed up with further BS, conjecture, and unrelated crap that was "force fit" into the poster's fantasy.

And all of it to what end? Certainly NOT truth. None of this BS has had anything what-so-ever to do with freedom, except for perhaps the freedom to case harm...which logically is not a freedom

a reply to: tanka418

But, alas, as we can see here; there are those who would abuse their freedoms without a second thought, and visit harm upon their fellows...

What are you saying? People abuse their freedom while posting their thoughts into this board?
Nobody was harmed by the way, we were just contributing some ideas.

And all of it to what end? Certainly NOT truth. None of this BS has had anything what-so-ever to do with freedom, except for perhaps the freedom to case harm...which logically is not a freedom

Are you finished yet?
The freedom to case harm... what are you talking about? Weapons of mass keyboarding?

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: tanka418

What are you saying? People abuse their freedom while posting their thoughts into this board?
Nobody was harmed by the way, we were just contributing some ideas.

Actually, yes, sometimes even posting your thoughts in a forum like ATS can be an abuse of freedom...though perhaps not so much "abuse" as it is irresponsible.

And, sorry man, but you are not seeing the whole...I'll think it is because you have not applied much by way of logic , critical thought, at least for now. There most certainly has been harm caused by this kind of tactic...


There is the harm to the credibility of legitimate "watchers", those trying to actually protect our freedoms...this isn't very visible, but it most certainly IS significant.


There is the harm caused t the employees of Walmart...all employees, especially the current ones. This sort of BS reduces the amount of exposure Walmart "sees", which, IF I were Walmart I would certainly engage in, as it would be in Walmart's best interest to spread lies just like this has been...


Then there is the harm it is causing to everybody's freedom...this kind of obfuscation makes it much easier for government and corporations to get away with things that most would think unconscionable, yet there are always those who, from the depths of their own depravity, plot to cause wide spread harm.

Are you finished yet?
The freedom to case harm... what are you talking about? Weapons of mass keyboarding?

Am I finished yet...Hell NO!!!!!

You have managed to totally misconstrue everything I've said...and apparently only to support your fantasy. You have supported the lie of Jade Helm and any involvement with Walmart...you appear to have supported the fantasy of Jade Helm...Which, is nothing like what has been described here...which of course is wholly derived from an abject lack of knowledge and understand of the proclivities of the D.O.D.

Basically, you don't have a clue, and are/were attempting to "force" you poorly thought out notions on the world. And, when confronted with any amount of reality; you denied that reality and heaped more fantasy on the issue.

All of that was YOUR BAD...I seriously hope that before you reply that you take a moment to think this through.

ETA: Ever hear the expression; "The pen is mightier than the sword?"

a reply to: PublicOpinion

What this does is move the conversation away from "what should we be training and ordering our military to do" and towards "people who are critical of the military have screws loose." And the conversation obviously didn't stop here or elsewhere on the internet because it's become a punchline in the MSM.

You have the right to say whatever you want and I'll fight to the end to defend that. Of course, I also have the right to express my opinion about what you say and its effects. Wiithout being called a "shill" in a forum like this.

originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: Crowdpsychology

In the final analysis the writer's journalistic credentials are irrelevant to the content. The big picture is that those pushing this Jade Helm/martial law/tunnels under Walmart conspiracy theory have become a laughingstock in the MSM and when September comes and goes and nothing like this happens legitimate critics of government overreach and military policy will be further discredited.

Yes but who had the most fun?

tanka418 yes I read the thread.

The map matches the map at the beginning of Steven Kings, The Stand

originally posted by: Char-Lee

The map matches the map at the beginning of Steven Kings, The Stand

And even if true, it "matches" a whole lot of other criteria as well.

The bottom line is come September the exercise will be over, there isn't going to be any martial law in Texas, nobody is going to be locked up in any Walmarts, there isn't going to be any post-apocalypitc influenza and no one is going to come back on ATS and say "Gee, guess you guys were probably right after all."

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Char-Lee

The map matches the map at the beginning of Steven Kings, The Stand

And even if true, it "matches" a whole lot of other criteria as well.

The bottom line is come September the exercise will be over, there isn't going to be any martial law in Texas, nobody is going to be locked up in any Walmarts, there isn't going to be any post-apocalypitc influenza and no one is going to come back on ATS and say "Gee, guess you guys were probably right after all."

But some day they may be right...so let everyone speculate as will...in the mean time some people are as fun as a wet dog

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Char-Lee

The map matches the map at the beginning of Steven Kings, The Stand

And even if true, it "matches" a whole lot of other criteria as well.

The bottom line is come September the exercise will be over, there isn't going to be any martial law in Texas, nobody is going to be locked up in any Walmarts, there isn't going to be any post-apocalypitc influenza and no one is going to come back on ATS and say "Gee, guess you guys were probably right after all."

But some day they may be right...so let everyone speculate as will...in the mean time some people are as fun as a wet dog

Remember: "The boy who cried wolf."


Fun at the expense of someone's ability to defend themselves in the face of wrongful termination is kinda sick don't you think?

a reply to: DelMarvel

In the final analysis the writer's journalistic credentials are irrelevant to the content.

So if a journalist for example have been fired for misconduct and fabrication of sources in the past, you would happily indulge and believe what this person is writing in future publications? Makes no sense at all! Credentials and their specialized field are the only things a journalist can fall back on, and the content of the publication mirrors the journalists knowledge and moral. In this case Caitlin Dewey is not working with questions needed to know this kind of matter which makes it immoral to even try do debunk possible connections and then publish her nonsense ”article” in the 7th biggest newspapers in the US. Nobody can debunk possible connections except people who are entitled with certain clearances in regard to the planned exercise and high profile workers at Walmart, and these people will never spill any details because if they did it would be a violation against their confidentiality agreement. The only ones that could ”argue” and have some sort of legit opinion regarding this matter are people that report on military/defense matters. And guess what, people both within the military complex and people with past involvement have made concerning statements in regard to the exercise. But sure, continue to listen to a ”nobody” when it comes to this field, who solely writes articles about; feminism, social media and internet culture, because she would certainly know the truth..

The big picture is that those pushing this Jade Helm/martial law/tunnels under Walmart conspiracy theory have become a laughingstock in the MSM and when September comes and goes and nothing like this happens legitimate critics of government overreach and military policy will be further discredited.

Why are you addressing me with this first statement? How about you actually address me based on the things I state in my comments instead of viewing the whole matter as duo-toned. Both you and other look upon this discussion as if it only consisted of two sides, ”Them” and ”We” and that’s a very narrowed way of looking at matters which involves numerous theories and different statements. You and tanka418 are also using MSM as a ruling side when it comes to the truth, which basically is like taking a car salesman’s word for ”this is the best deal you will get in your life, trust me!”

All MSM are privately owned and driven by private interests, unfortunately not public interests.They are openly reporting inline with government issued requests, while reporters and their careers are selectively chosen based on "what they write” and ”if they write the things they are being told”. Media outlets and journalists (non official covers) have been groomed by the intelligence complex to write angled articles based on outside "recommendations" while actively avoiding certain subjects. Journalists and other people who refuse to take part in this and solely seek the unbiased truth will not be climbing the career-ladder like the ones who sell their soul. Look what happened to Thomas Drake after he outed the massive and illegal NSA-surveillance on US citizens after 9/11, or Gary Webb when he pulled the lid off CIA's drug smuggling case. If you don’t follow a certain drum-beat and decides to publish the work on your own after being ”recommended” not to do so, there is a great chance the last chapter of your life will be a mysterious accident or a suspicious suicide, one example of this is Michael Hastings.

Leading German Journalist Udo Ulfkotte Admits CIA 'Bribed' Him and Other
www.youtube.com...

Operation Mockingbird

CIA recruited and bribed America journalists, they also funded student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA. The same year as the operation started they ”owned” respected members of The New York Times, Newsweek, CBS, three years later they had major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. The usual methodology was placing reports developed from intelligence provided by the CIA to witting or unwitting reporters. Those reports would then be repeated or cited by the preceding reporters which in turn would then be cited throughout the media wire services. Mockingbird was later put under the same roof as psychological influence operations, espionage and counter-espionage. en.wikipedia.org...

Why would "legitimate critics of government” be discredited in the future for something others have been saying? Another narrowed statement that shows that you only see matters in black or white. I’m not sitting here and feeling bad for your comments, only you can answer for them, not me, nor any other.

If you solely use MSM as a source and bluntly believe what they tell you when it comes to; early stage conspiracy theories, sensitive matters, incidents that change the fabric of our world - Then you either; Don’t know your facts, are easy to persuade, too afraid to believe anything else, or simply not mentally equipped to analyze broader matters and how our world is operating.

I’m actually glad that MSM considers; certain matters, certain conspiracy theories, as "a laughingstock” as you put it. This only tells me that there is truth behind some of the contradicting statements in regard to the "official story”, contradicting statement MSM actively ridicules. I base that on the fact that a big chunk of MSM is corrupted, unbiased and that "non official covers” work within these particular news agencies with the same goals and strategies they aimed for during operation mockingbird.

And I forgot to add this also detracts from publicizing the real story of how Walmart shut down entire stores to quell union organizing. By the way, here's an example from the New York Times of how the MSM is treating all this

Who’s saying ”that the real story” is that Walmart shut down 5 stores to stop a "union organizing"? Talk about bluntly spreading misinformation like a ”non official cover". The only mandated fact and the quotes used in the news coverings about the filed injunction are based on the situation at Pico Rivera, 1/5 stores. And by this you automatically say all the closings solely have to do with union-busting..

Congratulations, you have posted yet another irrelevant article. Gail Collins, the person who wrote your attached article is openly smearing Texas while blaming them for the rise of guns in California, which almost makes me want to send her a copy of ATF's gunwalking scandal or "Operation Fast and Furious”. But then again, she rub shoulders with Obama so she already know that parts within the government are smuggling weapons to criminal gangs. This person writes matters she is being told to cover, matters the state/establishment want to highlight to further widen the gap and create frustration. Which entitles me to believe that she is unbiased, controlled and have sold her soul. reason.com... www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: tanka418

And that is the real problem with this kind of "mongering" is that it actually does damage to legitimate critics, and "watch dogs"/ Helping the government to "get away" with increasingly more BS...limiting our freedom to ever greater extents.

Once again, why should anyone take either credit or damage for what somebody else have been saying? Is this a normal behavior for you? A persons own statements and the facts behind them is the only thing one can speak for, and honestly, all ”spectating” individuals who put all people who address the matter under one roof, people who have made different statements backed by different sources and facts, are simply ignorant and uneducated individuals and their ”spectating” view of the matter is in no way worth listening to.

But, the real victims here are the employees of Walmart, they get it twice...first from Walmart, then from the mongers…

Could you elaborate how the ”mongers” as you put it are hurting the unemployed Walmart workers? I would beg to differ, with a vast amount of people involved in the search for the real reason behind the closings, these ”truth seekers” which is a more appropriate word, not ”mongers”, will actually help to put pressure on Walmart and possible even dig up the genuine reasons behind the 5 closings. The only genuine ”fear mongers” in the current situation is MSM who for some "unknown" reason systematically are pushing the notion of "conspiracy theories connected to the exercise" to tens of millions of people. Articles written by the same people you happily seem to advocate when it comes to the ”truth” of the situation.

What I am saying is that you should actually use your intelligence, apply at least a small amount of critical thinking. Actually collect viable, relevant data, and analyze it…

Wow, that’s rich coming from someone like you. A person who solely fall back on your own words and when you finally attach a source (after being recommended to do so numerous times) you attach possible the saddest and most irrelevant ”article” from the 7th most controlled newspapers in America, a ”article" published by a person with no intel about the matter at hand. You also systematically ignore all my relevant and viable sources I attach to support my statements while happily accusing me of making stuff up. Priceless!

But, alas, as we can see here; there are those who would abuse their freedoms without a second thought, and visit harm upon their fellows…Actually, yes, sometimes even posting your thoughts in a forum like ATS can be an abuse of freedom...

What the heck are you talking about? Almost like you are monologuing the state/establishment’s fear for freedom of speech and the harm net neutrality can inflict if citizens know/talk and act based on things ”they shouldn’t talk or know about” Another statement that confirms my suspicion about you and how you operate in this thread.

You see, all of the "doom porn" above, has been exactly that; "Doom Porn"...just a collection of BS that has at the very best some tenuous connection to reality, and, absolutely NONE to the current subject. Then of course it was backed up with further BS, conjecture, and unrelated crap that was "force fit" into the poster's fantasy.

You have not demonstrated that you have any idea of what you are talking about, in fact, much of what you have said tends to demonstrate that you make up half, and misconstrue the rest...and, you haven't supplied a single credible source as yet.

Thanks for confirming your total lack of intelligence, much appreciated. It’s all in the vast amount of sources I have posted within my comments, sources which probably are to heavy for you to analyze and understand. But if you want to deny the current race-war, enormous cuts in SNAP benefits, growing behavior of public unrest, how and for what cause PsyOps are implemented, and the growing gaps and frustration within the society - Then present you case, like I have done and add numerous legit sources/evidence that speaks for what you are saying. You have nothing but your own words, words that are laughable at best with zero connection to the current situation in our society.

You should actually use your intelligence”, "collect viable, relevant data, and analyze it

Haha, look how you slithered your way up onto the "pedestal of judgement" without having any mandating claim for being there. The only thing I have done this whole time is analyzing relevant and viable data, and then presented my findings with a red line and creditable sources to back it all up. You however have not made one single viable and relevant statement so far. Your behavior is rapidly going from laughable to pitiful

You have managed to totally misconstrue everything I've said...and apparently only to support your fantasy. You have supported the lie of Jade Helm and any involvement with Walmart… Basically, you don't have a clue, and are/were attempting to "force" you poorly thought out notions on the world. And, when confronted with any amount of reality; you denied that reality and heaped more fantasy on the issue.

ETA: Ever hear the expression; "The pen is mightier than the sword?

"Misconstrue everything I've said” And you are saying again? That all closed Walmart stores...

(4 stores situated in states participating in the exercise, the last 1 situated in a neighboring "hostile" state in the exercise. 3/5 stores are situated in "hostile" states, the exercise ends almost the same day as Walmart's "renovation” period and that Walmart is one of the few stores which are considered a "Critical Infrastructure" in DHS documents, hence them being a SCC member.)

...Are solely connected to a union-busting scheme basted on the single fact that 1/5 stores have been mentioned and quoted in the labour-union’s injunction against Walmart? You surly show a great deficiency in critical thinking, logic, use of intelligence and collecting/analyzing viable and relevant data..

"Supported the lie of Jade Helm and any involvement with Walmart” Why do you say that it’s a lie that the exercise and the closed stores may have a connection? Oh, sorry, that’s right.. You read it in the 7th biggest and most controlled newspapers in the US, in a "article" written by a ”nobody” which covers nothing close to military matters.. Is this how you use "your intelligence and collect viable, relevant data, and analyze it”? Ironic to say at least..

Sure, I heard of that expression, but in your case, your pen can be equated to a butter knife. At best.

There is another way of describing ”fear mongering” when it’s backed by creditable sources and facts and that’s called ”the sad truth” How about you inline yourself with the truth instead of letting your mind be clouded by fear.

a reply to: tanka418

You have managed to totally misconstrue everything I've said

Actually that one is on you. I just managed to provoke some more ranting to prove my point, thanks for the reply!

Basically, you don't have a clue, and are/were attempting to "force" you poorly thought out notions on the world. And, when confronted with any amount of reality; you denied that reality and heaped more fantasy on the issue.

All of that was YOUR BAD...I seriously hope that before you reply that you take a moment to think this through.

Kept it calm and sifted through your hysterical galvanization of pre-thought-crimes.

Of course I don't have any clue at all. I never stated anything else, did I?
Now let me conclude: I should bring either 100% proof for whatever I'm going to add or better keep my mouth shut, otherwise...? Don't think so as well, nope. Now please do me a favor and unplug the wood, there shouldn't be any problem with scepticism at all. Embrace the disgrace but start to think for yourself now! Why should anybody care about sensitivities regarding this topic if one could apply some simple logics instead? Again:
Before jumping to any conclusion one should consider all possibilities at hand. Why not tunnels? Pretty obvious the States would have some as well, why only the Swiss, Norway, Russia or Sweden? But yes of course, we can! Lets deny all underground-stuff going on worldwide to make you guys n gals happy? Why the heck should I be foolish enough to deny such a honourable proposal, please consider myself koolaided now.

That's what I would call a Boomerang-Bull#-Bingo-Strike, I really start to love this thread! Not because it's somehow straightforward informative, but it reveals some very interesting stuff regarding any somehow sensitive thread. Threads over threads all over the place, the other ones. Brave New Disgrace World wait for me, I'm coming to get jailed bigtime for the most sinister thoughtcrimes, due to National Security concerns of course. Hell yeah...ish.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Your behavior is rapidly going from laughable to pitiful

No actually what is pitiful; is your insistence on holding on to a fantasy that has been proven a fantasy on several levels.

a reply to: DelMarvel

What this does is move the conversation away from "what should we be training and ordering our military to do" and towards "people who are critical of the military have screws loose." And the conversation obviously didn't stop here or elsewhere on the internet because it's become a punchline in the MSM.

Actually this discussion wasn't about Jade Helm at all, if I'm not completely wrong. But I wouldn't take the MSM in any of my considerations as well, why should I? Nobody from them is overly concerned with our stuff either, are they? Just another story, maybe even one that wouldn't sell out very well at all. Way to disturbing, better run some Alien-documentations.

You have the right to say whatever you want and I'll fight to the end to defend that. Of course, I also have the right to express my opinion about what you say and its effects. Wiithout being called a "shill" in a forum like this.

I'm sorry, but I may have some very bad news for you! There is no birthright not beeing called a shill if one could actually suggest you behave like one. Just like one could suggest, I may have a whole bunch of screws loose. Seems like everybody has a role to play in this comedy, now take a deep breath and brush the dust from your shoulders. No offense has been taken nor intended at all, we are just talking about opinions.

originally posted by: Char-Lee

But some day they may be right...so let everyone speculate as will...in the mean time some people are as fun as a wet dog

If and when "they" are right it will be a hell of a lot harder to get anyone to pay attention because of all the years of chicken little fun and games.