Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

a reply to: DelMarvel

to come back on ATS and say "Gee, guess you guys were probably right after all."

Maybe we guys 'n gals just have fun connecting dots and never indended to be anything else than sceptical at least?

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology

Congratulations, you have posted yet another irrelevant article. Gail Collins, the person who wrote your attached article is openly smearing Texas

EXACTLY MY POINT!

This ridiculous Jade Helm/Tunnels under Walmart/Martial Law theory has gotten pushed to the point where it's become a cheap laugh in the MSM. There are tinfoil hat jokes all over the internet. All this "fun and games" just makes it all the more difficult for serious whistleblowers to get attention and be taken seriously (if that's actually your goal.)

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Spot on! All spots please.

I’m actually glad that MSM considers; certain matters, certain conspiracy theories, as "a laughingstock” as you put it. This only tells me that there is truth behind some of the contradicting statements in regard to the "official story”, contradicting statement MSM actively ridicules. I base that on the fact that a big chunk of MSM is corrupted, unbiased and that "non official covers” work within these particular news agencies with the same goals and strategies they aimed for during operation mockingbird.

Even plausible deniability has to be plausible at least. But hysterical obey-mongering is something I would consider part of another ongoing Operation. Tinfoil Helm 0815 maybe?



Some dementi tend to prove the opposite they sought to clear up due to the way they come, don't they?

a reply to: DelMarvel

a cheap laugh in the MSM. There are tinfoil hat jokes all over the internet. All this "fun and games" just makes it all the more difficult for serious whistleblowers to get attention and be taken seriously (if that's actually your goal.)

Now that we are about to enter open space quite fast, let me reconcile our differences with some simple questions:
"We" are responsible for anything that goes jokin all over the net or the MSM and somehow managed to construct a little obstacle for every (fake-) whistleblower, which may even hamper their efforts to present a substancial story without any facts to prove their claims?

Well, err... and the bad news are exactly what again?

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Char-Lee

But some day they may be right...so let everyone speculate as will...in the mean time some people are as fun as a wet dog

If and when "they" are right it will be a hell of a lot harder to get anyone to pay attention because of all the years of chicken little fun and games.

I honestly don't get why you are here. There are often not a ton of facts relating to some of the subjects on ATS that interest many of us.
The process of speculating on what information each of us can find in a discussion keeps people searching for more information. Sometimes they find things, things that were not known until they began digging to prove or disprove their feelings on a subject.

That you have a problem with this process and yet involve yourself in these forums seems odd to me. Personally I would rather people "chicken little" and take a stab in the dark with their ideas than to be afraid to think for themselves and voice those thoughts courageously.

Being proved wrong in the end on an AboveTopSecret forum subject does not seem like a big deal to me. Maybe if I were speculating the same way in a science journal or something but not here.

People know where and what they are reading they don't need your protection, as caring as I am sure you are trying to be in offering it.

So I'm back after about a month of just driving by the Brandon Walmart numerous times both day and night.

Nothing going on but an empty parking lot and one lone civilian security car sits by itself.

No contractor vehicles in front or near the loading docks doing repair work.

You can rule out the plumbing issue at this location.

Just a side note. There are railroad tracks running behind the store about 50 yards back and a main side road that runs up to the Home Depot/Walmart parking lot.

originally posted by: BladeRunner88
So I'm back after about a month of just driving by the Brandon Walmart numerous times both day and night.

Nothing going on but an empty parking lot and one lone civilian security car sits by itself.

No contractor vehicles in front or near the loading docks doing repair work.

You can rule out the plumbing issue at this location.

I think that the ONE THING we all can agree upon; this Walmart "story" is pure, and now aged, BS...so ripe and rich, it fouls the air in North Texas.

While I tend to reject the Jade Helm story because it actually offends my understanding of the DOD, and I do tend to be more accepting of the Union busting crap because...well, sorry y'all; it just "feels" right to my somewhat telepathic mind.

Personally, I think it is way past time for society, in general, to slap Walmart into a corner and demand truth...after all WE have the power and ability to close all of Walmart in just days...yet we, as a society, accept the BS and crap that is shoveled at us by those who would pretend to be in our best interest.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

First of all, let us take a minute to telepathically send some love and knowledge to our two desperate and sad members who's trying to disprove and ridicule something no one can disprove except the ones entitled with certain details/clearances in regard to the exercise.

After I posted a long and relevant reply based on our current social climate, stretching over 3 comments on page 29, these members have (like they always have done after sensitive and fact-based information) made the same recurrent and spamming comments. No brainstorming inline with the points I wrote, only the same flooding, derailing and infusion of misinformation, and they actually manage to fill a whole page with this nonsense by replying each other with the same recurrent statements and incorporating each others comments in their own comment. Pretty amazing! And yes, this also tells us a great deal about who these people are and what they are here for.

Just look at DelMarvel's reply to me (after I once again highlighted important aspect (on page 30) when it comes to analyzing viable and relevant information in matters like these) He only took and replied on one snippet from my whole comment, a snippet conveniently cut to display some sort of "arguing" angle inline with what his sad and utterly irrelevant message contains. Instead of acknowledging my points in regard to his previous reply to me, and answering my contradictory questions to him, he continued to write the same thing over and over "All this "fun and games" just makes it all the more difficult for serious whistleblowers to get attention and be taken seriously"

Is there at this point any denial in that these two members are actively trying to ridicule a serious matter while disrupting and flooding the thread as soon as viable and sensitive statements have been made. NO!
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Even plausible deniability has to be plausible at least. But hysterical obey-mongering is something I would consider part of another ongoing Operation. Some dementi tend to prove the opposite they sought to clear up due to the way they come, don't they?

Exactly! Why even cover news about conspiracies, which in itself are highly uncommon. The logic behind this is that they either do it because growing speculations from citizens could spark possible "findings" or "disruptive" aspects of what's about to come and/or because they want to spread fear. All reporters from MSM are covering the exact same thing almost as if they have been told to push certain statements. These statements include; Ridiculing concerning thoughts of the planned exercise by highlighting the "Walmart underground tunnel" theory, Saying that misinformation have been spread by individuals with "personal intrests", Called conspiracy theories a product of paranoia, Stating/quoted that Utahs governor Gary Herbert personally have announced that it's just a military drill and that their office only have received 20 calls from concerned citizens.

These identical articles in MSM are mainly highlighting the fact that Utah's governor are convinced that it's only a military exercise, nothing else, and they are using this as some sort of proof to ridicule all other citizens and governors that have made conceding statements. (If one governor in a "hostile" state says it's fine, everybody else must be paranoid) On top of this they implement a fact which they know is false and which they hope will ridicule the debate even further, and that is "the Walmart tunnel theory connected to the 5 stores" They then finish the articles of with the statement that conspiracy theories are products of paranoid people with "personal interest" (guessing political, smearing people who want limited intervention of government)

The fact of the matter is that the mainstream media is twisting words and ridiculing sensitive and concerning subjects. The only person who have stated the things MSM say Gary Herbert have stated is Marty Carpenter, a (fairly new) spokesman for the republican office in Utah. So once again we see how the MSM, just like some members in this thread are twisting words, taking snippets, and bluntly spreading misinformation while ridiculing a sensitive matter.

Final note.

MSM would never push the theory of "Walmart tunnels connected to the 5 stores" if there was truth behind it. But like you have stated before I wouldn't ignore that there could be some truth behind "Walmart tunnels" in general. I haven't watched the videos or read anything about this theory, But I have researched D.U.M.B's in the past, and based on that I wouldn't give it much effort because the info regarding bunkers and underground tunnels are a part of national security and considered the highest "hush hush" priority with a "top secret" branding and therefore the information about them is slim at best.

But if I would brainstorm inline with this theory I would say that it's very plausible that the 9 Walmart "disaster distribution centers" which are strategically located in different parts in the US, and which are each 1 million square feet, or 4-10 times larger than a Walmart Supercenter, are in fact connected to underground tunnels. I base that on the fact that Walmart is considered a "critical infrastructure" and one of the few private retail companies that are considered a SCC member in DHS documents. It would certainly make it easier to covertly transport aid when a major crisis strikes.

a reply to: BladeRunner88

Welcome back! I know you have made statements about the Brandon Walmart in this thread before, and I also know that members have asked you to take pictures of the things you are seeing. So my question to you is: Why haven't you posted any pictures? I'm not trying to push you to do so, or disrespect what you are stating, I'm just curious.

It's quite interesting that this particular Walmart store, on east brandon boulevard, is one of the 5 stores which have been closed during 6 month because of "plumbing issue" based on the fact that it's the only store close to a Home Depot, which also is a "critical infrastructure" and one of the few private SCC members... The railroad makes it a little more interesting, because the track is not near other clusters of Walmart/Home Depot stores.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
a reply to: PublicOpinion

First of all, let us take a minute to telepathically send some love and knowledge to our two desperate and sad members who's trying to disprove and ridicule something no one can disprove except the ones entitled with certain details/clearances in regard to the exercise.

It is absolutely incredible...how little you understand.

Seriously man, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what has been said here. The truly sad thing is you will never admit to it, and will only feed the lie you tell yourself.

No one has been trying to disprove or ridicule anything, save your interpretation of a few things that are indeed very real. You have been spouting this misunderstanding as if it were gospel, when in fact it is all pure conjecture, and; "conjecture without foundation."

My theory is not based on anything more or less real than yours, but, mine at least has some foundation...
Meanwhile you go spinning off on tangents that have no bearing on reality, further complicating your already tenuous position.

Perhaps I should ask again for your foundation, with links...I'm not really asking you ...just saying. Besides, you would only provide the same quality data...which has, in my opinion, a very low confidence level.

originally posted by: muchmadness

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: here4this

They also say that the military personnel will be armed with "blanks". And they're sending in SEAL teams and Green Berets? Yeah, something is up. Getting everyone used to the idea, placating the locals so it won't be such a shock when it happens?

So they're going to have "armed", unidentified military people in civilian clothing popping off blank rounds unexpectedly in the midst of the local populations in a realistic training exercise?

What happens when a civilian pulls his concealed revolver and empties it into one of these training participants?

Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong.

They wont be 'unidentified' They will HAVE to wear something saying theyre part of Jade Helm. This EXACT scenario happened here in NC not too long ago during Operation Robin Sage, a training scenario where special forces trainees train within the civil population. A deputy came across 3 civvie clothed soldiers carrying an M249 SAW machine gun and opened fire, killing one of the soldiers. The deputy wasnt aware of the training going on in the area. The troops thought the officer was one of the role players. read more here:

story

The soldiers participating in Robin Sage now wear armbands that say ROBIN SAGE on it

originally posted by: Char-Lee

I honestly don't get why you are here. .

The old "what are you doing here" come back.

One of the reasons I'm here is for alternative news. That is to say news about REALITY that isn't being reported by the MSM. If I wanted to take part in Apophenia fantasy games I'd go somewhere like Godlikeproductions.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Char-Lee

I honestly don't get why you are here. .

The old "what are you doing here" come back.

One of the reasons I'm here is for alternative news. That is to say news about REALITY that isn't being reported by the MSM. If I wanted to take part in Apophenia fantasy games I'd go somewhere like Godlikeproductions.

Yeah it gets old huh....

I was thinking more as "here" this thread really. Your responses seem more correct for the "Rant' Forum.

a reply to: tanka418

It is absolutely incredible...how little you understand.

Perhaps I should ask again for your foundation, with links...I'm not really asking you ...just saying. Besides, you would only provide the same quality data...which has, in my opinion, a very low confidence level.

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Number of comments: 43
Number of attached sources within all posted comments in the thread: 83

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I first posted all my sources in this comment, but quickly realized that they took a lot of unnecessary space (being that they already have been posted in this thread) and the last thing I want to to is repeat myself and flood the thread. I have however kept your source, because it didn't take up as much space as all mine did.

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Number of comments: 39
Number of attached sources within all posted comments in the thread: 1

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Your only (one/single/1) attached source to back up what you have been saying was made on page 29, after I numerous of times prior to this had told you that you solely fall back on your own words. And this source was from the 7th biggest and most controlled newspaper in the US, written by a person who have no knowledge of the matter you were trying to disprove. Do realize how sad you and your derailing tactic is? Or are you to …… to understand this fact? The majority of my sources are from books (by creditable individuals), government issued docs, creditable organizations, the rest are from genuine journalists, some of which are MSM, journalists which have stated/quoted, the things I speak for in my comments. My theory is also based on union-busting as one of the (public) reasons, but you bluntly ignore the aspect of multiple reasons and also the peculiar coincidences between the exercise and the 5 closed stores.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
Your only (one/single/1) attached source to back up what you have been saying was made on page 29,

No...actually I posted that more as a "lark" to illustrate just how laughable your diatribe was. Your "stuff" was so wrong that it was even made fun of by MSM...

What I used originally to form my hypothesis was mathematics and probability...and, actually my favorite; Bayesian Inference. Unfortunately your "data" when "plugged in" to the Bayesian model it has such a low "confidence level" that your interpretation could not be realized, thus it must not be reality...Yet, you are so vehement about it...rather illogical...

The majority of my sources are from books (by creditable individuals), government issued docs, creditable organizations, the rest are from genuine journalists, some of which are MSM, journalists which have stated/quoted, the things I speak for in my comments.

Yet you keep those sources a guarded secret...Who are you sources?, what government documents? Which credible organizations?

The only thing I've seen from you are faux documents made by people of unknown attribute.

My theory is also based on union-busting as one of the (public) reasons, but you bluntly ignore the aspect of multiple reasons and also the peculiar coincidences between the exercise and the 5 closed stores.

Again your vision is not very clear. I've not ignored anything here. I have examined each bit of data and assigned a confidence level to it...your material is low confidence.

You need to understand where I'm coming from here; it is all about the numbers.

And probability strongly suggests the whole thing is a product of a union busting operation. As opposed to any vastly misunderstood governmental operation. Perhaps your Jade Helm did play a role, but, likely only in the selection of innocent stores to close to provide obfuscation of the true, and probably illegal, union busting operation.

People do crazy things for money, corporation will do even wilder things...and this union busting thing has the potential to save Walmart 10's of millions of dollars. After all, a union would mean that Walmart could no longer abuse their employees.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

It doesn't matter how many links you post if they don't make your case. It's yet another example of apophenia conspiracy "research" drawing on the vast amounts of raw data available on the internet.

This Jade Helm/Martial Law/Walmart meme is the equivalent of a Sorcha Faal story gaining traction in somewhat mainstream channels. The only question in my mind is whether there was intent to deceive or if this just took off on its own. There is no question that if the MSM was peddling something as patently ridiculous as this it would be the subject of intense ridicule here.

a reply to: DelMarvel

This Jade Helm/Martial Law/Walmart meme is the equivalent of a Sorcha Faal story gaining traction in somewhat mainstream channels. The only question in my mind is whether there was intent to deceive or if this just took off on its own. There is no question that if the MSM was peddling something as patently ridiculous as this it would be the subject of intense ridicule here.

Haha, thats awesome. Everybody who contributed ideas must be some sinister MSM agent to deceive the topic.
Conspiratorial thinking at its finest, we are either all shills or just wanna sell our books I guess. Of course, what else?

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

First of all, let us take a minute to telepathically send some love and knowledge to our two desperate and sad members who's trying to disprove and ridicule something no one can disprove except the ones entitled with certain details/clearances in regard to the exercise.

I did so, but it actually didn't work out very well after all. ..

After I posted a long and relevant reply based on our current social climate, stretching over 3 comments on page 29, these members have (like they always have done after sensitive and fact-based information) made the same recurrent and spamming comments. No brainstorming inline with the points I wrote, only the same flooding, derailing and infusion of misinformation, and they actually manage to fill a whole page with this nonsense by replying each other with the same recurrent statements and incorporating each others comments in their own comment. Pretty amazing! And yes, this also tells us a great deal about who these people are and what they are here for.

At first glance I thought you were way over your head with such a statement. But now every part fell into its place and I even have to admit, that your perception of methods was very clear-sighted and not half that emotional, it seemed to be.

All thumbs up, keep it rolling loud and strong!

Dunno if you have seen this other thread regarding tunnels:
www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=PublicOpinion

My contrubution there so far, had some fun working out correlations with maps. It's a bit clumsy but a start and may have to be continued in its own thread. I'm still gathering new maps and ideas but can't promise anything as I'm not convinced this may be interestingly enough on its own.
But give me your take on things if you like, Some parts I saw in this combination of layers were pretty amazing.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
Pretty amazing! And yes, this also tells us a great deal about who these people are and what they are here for.

Another shill ad hom.

There are other ATS members who just happen to disagree with you on a subject? Can't be!! It's got to be another conspiracy!