Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

a reply to: tanka418

No...actually I posted that more as a "lark" to illustrate just how laughable your diatribe was. Your "stuff" was so wrong that it was even made fun of by MSM…

Licking the wounds I see.. Must feel awful to be contradicted in such a degrading way after every single comment. But this can change, if you simply align yourself with the truth, a open mind and quit smearing and ridiculing members who make arguable statements backed by genuine/viable sources.

And yes, you actually posted your (one/single/1) source in a effort to ”bust” mine and others speculations. This was your reply after attaching the irrelevant source:

(Page 29 )So...it would appear that good ole JH15 isn't what y'all thought after all...It was just a bunch of krap to get y'all going...and of course; you bought into it "hook, line, and sinker"...even though it never contained any logic whatsoever…

Yet again we see that you are twisting words, driven by ego, and incapable of admitting your own mistakes. But then again that’s why you keep spinning the same irrelevant record over and over again.

What I used originally to form my hypothesis was mathematics and probability… You need to understand where I'm coming from here; it is all about the numbers.

Haha, falling back on the irrelevant ”look at me I’m the best retired/self-employed engineer in the world” statement. Well, ok, so you are telling us that you used mathematics and probability.. Cool, so please explain why the 5 Walmart closings solely have to do with union-busting, when only 1/5 stores have been mentioned in the union’s injunction against Walmart?

4 stores are situated in states participating in the exercise and the last 1 is situated in a neighboring "hostile" state in the exercise, 3/5 stores are situated in "hostile" states, the stores are closed during the same timeframe as the exercise and the exercise ends the same day as Walmart's "renovation” period, and lastly, Walmart is one of the few private corporations which is considered a "Critical Infrastructure" in DHS documents, hence them being a SCC member.

I have asked you to calculate this on your (government) issued abacus, and what the probability of this is.. But guess what, you have ignored this request more than once, and simply continued to ignore the connections between the stores and the exercise.. Convenient, wouldn’t you say?

You and other have also asked something inline with: Why have these particular stores been chosen, and not other stores that ”might” be situated in a better location.. The only thing I have to say to that is: Why not these stores? Must the 5 closed Walmart stores have to be situated within military bases, or maybe on the roof of a military complex, for you to grasp the connections?

I mean, what the heck do you mean by;

Yet you keep those sources a guarded secret...Who are you sources?, what government documents? Which credible organizations?

How can you even ask such questions, when all my 83 sources are attached within my comments in this thread? It’s like saying: I don’t believe this tree really exists, while touching it with your hand.. You surly would make a interesting subject for a case study in psychology, thats for sure.

The only thing I've seen from you are faux documents made by people of unknown attribute.

Nice, more material for the case study. None of my attached 83 sources have been from any ”conspiracy” websites. Like I stated in my previous comment to you, they are all vetted for. I would never risk ridiculing a matter I speak for by posting unreliable sources. The sources I have posted does not speak for my own ”big picture” they are selected to prove that certain factors/statemens I have been writing is more than arguable and possible true. I construct my comments in this way so people can get an idea of the bigger picture, and also so people can look up the sources for themselves, read all of them, and make up their own mind. In other words, a very unbiased way of making statements, because they could easily be disproved if I actually attached ”bogus” sources.

Here are some of my sources:

hsaj.org, fema.gov, dtic.mil, csl.army.mil, dhs.gov, scl.gatech.edu, wu.ac.at, crcog.org, corp-research.org, goodjobsfirst.org, walmartsubsidywatch.org, virginia.edu, fas.org, ok.gov, fightfor15.org, vice.com, crowdsondemand.com, nypost.com, washingtonpost.com, cbpp.org, money.cnn.com, huffingtonpost.com, theguardian.com, foxnews.com, reason.com, nytimes.com

The rest are interviews which can be traced to the person making the statements, raw-videos with zero manipulation, raw-audio clips with zero manipulation, publications/books issued by; Library of Congress, University of Memphis.

People do crazy things for money, corporation will do even wilder things..

They sure do, and that's why I'm arguing the matters, social climates, and current problems in our society, like I do. That's also why we see less and less freedom for ordinary citizens while engineered/fabricated social behaviors and conflicts becomes more and more frequent.. You do realize that "money man's" are deciding all major political decisions today, right? And when it comes to Americas current situation and the backing of the last presidential shift, George Soros is one the these "crazy" individuals. www.youtube.com...=127
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a reply to: DelMarvel

It doesn't matter how many links you post if they don't make your case. It's yet another example of apophenia conspiracy "research" drawing on the vast amounts of raw data available on the internet.

Well thats very true, but the fact that you and tanka418 are projecting your own sad behavior and lack of evidence onto me is at this point, vastly apparent. You have no foundation for what you are rambling about, and based on that you apply your childish strawman-tactic to ridicule me, a member who actually post viable sources and speak for matters that can be vetted for inline with my attached sources.

And btw, why so jumpy when it comes to shill remarks? I mean by now you must be familiar with this, you being called it by many members, member who write in different threads, and even in your own threads.. A little tip, It would be less suspicious if you let all those ”insinuations” fly pass you.. Keep that in mind for future derailing..

There are other ATS members who just happen to disagree with you on a subject? Can't be!! It's got to be another conspiracy!

Of course there’s members who disagrees with other members, and that’s lovely because that feeds the discussion which hopefully will lead to more knowledge in the end. But your behavior doesn’t allow any additional knowledge, because you actively ignore viable and relevant statements/sources while actively spreading your irrelevant and recurrent statements. You also love to ridicule people which zero evidence to back it up. Not another conspiracy, it’s just the way it works, both private and public citizens get payed for spreading misinformation on the web.. But you surly know this, you being a…

Just want to take a moment here to publically post a prediction...based on available data.

In the coming months the effect and "aftermath" of Jade Helm 15 will amount to naught; Walmart will be sued by former employees and their agents.

Willing to test your hypothesis? make a prediction.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
Licking the wounds I see.. Must feel awful to be contradicted in such a degrading way after every single comment. But this can change, if you simply align yourself with the truth, a open mind and quit smearing and ridiculing members who make arguable statements backed by genuine/viable sources.

Wouldn't know...it's never happened. And, your sources...mostly non-related...so they kind of lack relevancy.

And yes, you actually posted your (one/single/1) source in a effort to ”bust” mine and others speculations. This was your reply after attaching the irrelevant source:

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(Page 29 )So...it would appear that good ole JH15 isn't what y'all thought after all...It was just a bunch of krap to get y'all going...and of course; you bought into it "hook, line, and sinker"...even though it never contained any logic whatsoever…"

No, I didn't post that in any effort to "bust" you or others. It was a relevant story I ran across in my adventures...I posted it...I do stuff like that sometimes.

However, IF it might make you feel better I can repeat myself; It would appear, even more clearly now, that you completely fail to understand the military mind, method, and technique. You have totally misconstrued Jade Helm 15 and are actively attempting to twist it into something that fits into your agenda. All of the "data" you posted has either been conjecture, or wholly unrelated; you of course tried in vain to show relevancy and reality. You failed even at the simplest of logical tests, yet insist that you are correct; can you say delusional? I hope so because that is how you appear.

One question I have for you however; "Why would someone in Europe even care?" About the Walmart closings, and Jade Helm?"

Oh and a wee note on the Jade Helm thing. I don't know how Texas is considered in the exercise, friend or foe. But, our governor has decided that Texas is indeed the adversary in all of this; The Texas Military will be watching the U.S. military during the whole of the exercise.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology

And btw, why so jumpy when it comes to shill remarks? I mean by now you must be familiar with this, you being called it by many members, member who write in different threads, and even in your own threads.. A little tip, It would be less suspicious if you let all those ”insinuations” fly pass you.. Keep that in mind for future derailing..
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And yet ANOTHER shill ad him!

The Walmart/Jade Helm story is BS.

There are a lot of plausible reasons to suspect the people who are pushing it are actually the ones shilling for something.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology

And btw, why so jumpy when it comes to shill remarks? I mean by now you must be familiar with this, you being called it by many members, member who write in different threads, and even in your own threads.. A little tip, It would be less suspicious if you let all those ”insinuations” fly pass you.. Keep that in mind for future derailing..
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And yet ANOTHER shill ad him!

The Walmart/Jade Helm story is BS.

There are a lot of plausible reasons to suspect the people who are pushing it are actually the ones shilling for something.

Oh yes, absolutely!!!
If I was Walmart; I would have hired several just to post at places like ATS, and...especially at ATS.
It would be only logical, and reasonable, to do such a thing, as well as suspect it.
In reality; it should be expected.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I did so, but it actually didn't work out very well after all. ..

Probably their tinfoil hat that keeps the telepathic signals out. To bad for them!
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One could think, but after reading my comments and all the sources one would quickly understand why I wrote the harsh but true statements. The only thing I want is for people to contemplate the bigger picture and plausible angles, while integrating social, economic and political driven aspects. To understand a future incident that is surrounded by secrecy, you can't solely look at what the mainstream media tells you, and you can’t solely look at the incident/matter in a micro-perspective. I believe that you need to count in the aspects I wrote above, as many relevant and contributing aspects as you possible can, and then analyze them into one plausible outcome. This is the reason why I speak in broader terms and integrate other aspects in our society, aspects which lay foundation to both how companies work and think but also how the government and its different organs operate and how/why they make certain changes.

The only thing I seek is a constructive discussion so that every participating party, including myself, can walk away from this discussion with more knowledge and a greater understanding of the bigger picture.

I haven’t read anything about the tunnel theory, except from a very small amount that was mentioned in articles I stumbled upon when researching other matters, but as soon as I have some free time I'll take a look, but that will unfortunately not be any time soon (wrote the reason in a PM) You can concentrate on for example that angles and i’ll take another, then hopefully we can present some juicy information in this thread in the future.
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Just a little side note and some entertainment for you and all the free thinking people out there. This gif below describes and pictures the mental change a person goes through when they finally realize how utterly irrelevant and insane their statements have been, in the discussion they took part in..


Have a great weekend!

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Greetings old buddy:

Is Jade Helm coming to your part of Texas?

We can be there in a heartbeat to back you, friend.

Peace Love Light
tfw Liberty & Equality or Revolution

a reply to: tanka418

If I was Walmart; I would have hired several just to post at places like ATS, and...especially at ATS.
It would be only logical, and reasonable, to do such a thing, as well as suspect it.

If I would be up to hamper every effort to scrutinize this topic, I would try to reduce the matter to union-busting via marginalising every other aspect as a silly sidenote. The Raw-story article I posted a while ago illustrates how this spin works out in the massmedia.
www.rawstory.com...

No tinfoil-helm(et) owner would be able to come up with solid proof for their ideas, especially for the tunnel-story. Every sensitive matter like this will be top-secret due to some "hush-hush" national-security-concerns.

This Jade Helm/Martial Law/Walmart meme is the equivalent of a Sorcha Faal story gaining traction in somewhat mainstream channels. The only question in my mind is whether there was intent to deceive or if this just took off on its own.

Some folks indeed try to deceive every aspects of this topic, as we have some who intend to crush non-state-actors:

Instead, the more immediate danger rests in the dramatic empowerment of individuals and groups, for good and sadly evil, often lumped together as "non-state actors."

Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, countless "hackers" and anonymous people mailing anthrax-filled letters whose actions have indeed constituted real threats and systemic disruptions are among the former. Al-Qaida and other radical groups reflect the latter.
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Without an extraordinary crisis, little is likely to be done to reverse or limit the damage imposed by failed or failing governance. The United States is Exhibit A although there are far too many competitors for that title.

However, the changing Westphalian system can and must be addressed if there is to be any chance of success in containing, reducing and eliminating the dangers posed by newly empowered non-state actors.

www.atlanticcouncil.org...

With all this in mind nobody, I say nobody, should recommend the usage of some scissors in our heads, so that we better cut out any controversal thought before posting on ATS. Thats what I call naive at best, but I think you misunderstood the meaning of "freedom" as well.

There are lots of traces, which connect Jade-Helm to the operationalization of the CONUS base.
www.specialoperations.org...

If you can't see the dots and really think Walmart would never have anything to do with this, not even as

CONUS-based force packages

... I may never be able to explain my headaches to you properly.
Deny everything now and redicule this statement orderly, please!

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

The only thing I seek is a constructive discussion so that every participating party, including myself, can walk away from this discussion with more knowledge and a greater understanding of the bigger picture.

Never! We have to simply deny all bigger pictures constantly as long as they don't run over flatscreens already, at least that's what I would consider the dreamteam of Crowdpsychology and PublicOpinion is supposed to deliver. Heck... my way or the highway, do your friggin job!

I haven’t read anything about the tunnel theory, except from a very small amount that was mentioned in articles I stumbled upon when researching other matters, but as soon as I have some free time I'll take a look, but that will unfortunately not be any time soon (wrote the reason in a PM) You can concentrate on for example that angles and i’ll take another, then hopefully we can present some juicy information in this thread in the future.

Some candy for the juicy part:

Description of a very high speed transit (VHST) system operating in its own rarefied atmosphere in evacuated tubes in underground tunnels. Most cases considered took less time to go coast-to-coast (e.g., 21 min) than it takes an aircraft to climb to an efficient operating altitude. VHST's tubecraft ride on, and are driven by, electromagnetic (EM) waves. In accelerating, it employs the energy of the surrounding EM field; in decelerating, it returns most of this energy to the system. Tunnel systems would be shared by oil, water, and gas pipelines; channels for laser and microwave waveguides; electric power lines including superconducting ones; and freight systems. Environmental and economic benefits are substantial, and the technology for building and operating the system exists.

www.rand.org...

The Rand Corp. doesn't seem to be a bunch of whackos to me. Yeah ok... on a second thought they might actually do so, but at least they are very professional about it. So when they state later on page -16- in the paper (18 in the pdf):

Will such a system ever be developed? It should be said that the political outlook is much less optimistic than the technical one.

... I would guess it already has been done years ago. Cold War project, next one please!



Have a great weekend, too!

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
No tinfoil-helm(et) owner would be able to come up with solid proof for their ideas, especially for the tunnel-story. Every sensitive matter like this will be top-secret due to some "hush-hush" national-security-concerns.

You seem to think this is not the case?

There is no proof, solid or otherwise for this "tunnel system". And the geology would probably virtually prohibit such a construct.

As for Jade Helm 15 and classified information; ALL of Jade Helm is classified. Everything you think you know about it is pure conjecture ad speculation, with the exception of the crap that is just plain made up.

You and crowd need to spend a "hitch" in the military and learn a bit about how it really works.

Right now you both are completely clueless, and are only spinning of your own fantasies, fueled by your lack of understanding of current events.

ETA: On the stuff from Rand Corp.

That was actually kind of funny...Unfortunately that system can't work, at least not now, and prolly not for another 100 years or so. The descriptions of "how it works" are the best...to the best of my knowledge a system like that can't work at all...There are some very serious issues with power generation and distribution. If you go and get a BSEE it will be possible to explain to "why".

a reply to: tanka418

There are some very serious issues with power generation and distribution.

And I see no reason to take this chatter serious, your Rant Corp. lacks compelling facts.
Where do you get your information, anything to offer at all?

If you go and get a BSEE

Nah. Meh.. just got BullShittedAsUsual again, no need for moar education right now.

Predictably. Boring. Discrusshion.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

why so jumpy when it comes to shill remarks? .........................., It would be less suspicious if you let all those ”insinuations” fly pass you..

really ???

juts WTF ??????????????????

you find it " suspicious " that people get offended when you label them " shills "

your advice is amazing - it truely is - because i have played this game before and if you do ignore the acusation - i know what comes next from your level of " thinking " its this :

" see he doesnt even bother to deny he is a shill "

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: tanka418


And I see no reason to take this chatter serious, your Rant Corp. lacks compelling facts.
Where do you get your information, anything to offer at all?

Where did I get my information... Well. about the electrical stuff it came first from California Polytechnic University, then from Stanford University...MSEE

With the math and probability...sadly only calpoly.

As for all of the data analysis, etc. same as my electrical engineering, MSCS.

After that there was some 40+ years of putting it all into practice...developing machines like your computer, or the factory your car came from.

Nah. Meh.. just got BullShittedAsUsual again, no need for moar education right now.

Predictably. Boring. Discrusshion.

Yeah!!! That's the spirit...embrace ignorance!!!

...it works every time.
lol

a reply to: tanka418

After that there was some 40+ years of putting it all into practice...developing machines like your computer, or the factory your car came from.

Sure. The folks at Rand are all wackos who make up BS all day long, just ask the Standford-genius from ATS!

You read a very crappy newspaper for some highly educated spokesman of logics, that's all I can tell from my end of the keyboard. But this is not the topic I would like to discuss anyway.

You didn't even pick up some details to explain your point further. You probably didn't even bother to read the paper at all. Which is fine... you know...

embrace ignorance!!!

Rofl?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

you find it " suspicious " that people get offended when you label them " shills

Don't think so. It would have been less suspicious indeed. Empty allegations tend to fall back instantly. Who cares anyway?
To be a shill or not to be a shill, Shillspeare?

Either you have something to contribute or you are just meddling with emoticons in thin air.
Sidenote at least, but a funread at last.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

You didn't even pick up some details to explain your point further. You probably didn't even bother to read the paper at all.

I didn't attempt to explain anything for fear that you would understand about as much of a highly technical explanation as you do simple language. Basically none...

But if you like...In the article they said the "moving devices" were powered by waves, I believe, of EM. EM or electromagnetic energy has a rapid drop off rate. basically power is divided by the square of the distance to the transmitting (sending) end. Thus, they would need to have very great amounts of power (more for instance than Alaska uses in 1 year)to send anything even a medium distance. Thus they would need to have power emitters every few miles in order to maintain a high enough power level to make the thing work.

While this might be possible with todays electronic technology, it would still be cost and power prohibitive since each of the emitters, spaced only a few short miles apart would require a gigawatt nuclear power plant to drive them.

Is that more to your liking?
How much of that did you get? that was the simplest I can render, in this instance.

ETA:

The folks at Rand are all wackos who make up BS all day long,

No actually, but very few of them are Electrical Engineers...and ALL of them struggle to keep up with technology, what they think may work, may have a white paper discussing the serious problems.


ETAA: They might be thinking of a Lorentzian drive system, but the U.S. Navy only has version small models, and they aren't very reliable ...yet. they call them "rail guns".

a reply to: tanka418

Haha, thanks for the reply!

Game Changer
In theory, maglev train technology could redefine city-to-city travel in dramatic ways. The 4,200-kilometer journey from New York to San Francisco, with no stops, could be covered in seven hours at this speed. A London-Paris journey via the Channel Tunnel, one of the most popular high-speed routes, would take 50 minutes, about one-third of the current time.

www.bloomberg.com...

Now, just hypothetically, consider this train in an environment with atmospheric pressures at 67 Pa underground instead of roughly 101325 Pa at mean sea level on the surface. Your estimated speed-record underground would be how high?

You really don't need to deny basics anymore, do you? Up for a raise? May the Lorentz-force be with you!

By the way the discussion is going it's evident there's at least 1 shill on this like flies on shizzle.

originally posted by: Ektar
I don't think they will be using the stores as FEMA camps
because those camps already exist. Maybe they will use
them for hospitals during the drills or like someone else
pointed out using them for acts of when TSHF & people
rushing in to take everything they need to survive &
its chaos. ???
I wonder if any of the supposed FEMA camps are located
near any of the stores that are closing?

No way on the plumbing...

Cheers
Ektar

Greetings, friend:

… because those camps already exist.

Our friend Zorgon contends there is NO confirmed FEMA camp anywhere …

Perhaps you would care to share your information?

With great respect,
tfw

originally posted by: ISHAMAGI
It's so obvious what this is...

They are out of water...There is no water left in any of these locations...so they are closing shop... No magic desalination, no trucking in water...if they can't get it free or subsidized by the community, they're out.

Greetings:

In our research on this bizarre situation, we have not ever run across this 'solution' to the question of these specific 5 store closings.

Is this just an 'educated guess' (giving you the benefit off the doubt), or merely more distraction tossed into this 'Walmart soup'?

Thank you for your time and consideration.

With great respect,
tfw
Peace Light Love