HERE is the CORE reason I'm at WAR with PC...

So I guess this sort of thing wouldn't fly now.
www.nationalmuseum.af.mil...

For the history buffs

a reply to: johnwick

Hahaha, that reminds me .. we had this crazy PC butter bar fall in to my infantry platoon he tried to tell all of us you won't be watching porn and to turn in our dirty mags. Haha well srgt. Car our platoon srgt and a battle hardened vet with the nick name shot gun car. Called this 2nd lt out in front of all of us and told him he can pound sand and to disregard this butter bars orders it was classic the look on his face. Anyway we never saw that butter bar again srgt car got rid of him and dumped him at battalion HQ.

Men will be men and women used to love us for it now it just scares everyone.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I don't know, from my point of view everything about war has changed accept the killing and end goals. And don't be so quick to judge touchy feely types. Who knows, one day one of those types may be in a situation where they an help you or someone in the battlefield out. An empath could gain the trust of an enemy and set them up for an ambush or anything really. I do agree however, that it is ridiculous how structured the off time is for service members in the navy.

a reply to: Ahabstar

In Desert Storm our Command in 1/7 Cav was pissed off by a pilot who painted SHARK'S teen on his bird.
The prisoners commmented it DID scare them.
THAT and the pilot flow about 20 ft off the ground an snuck up on them.

originally posted by: ProleUK
a reply to: johnwick

Do I have to be a vet to have an opinion on your armed forces?

it wasn't that long ago that the usa had segregated units based on race, that changed, it was there due to the stupidity and ignorance of society at that time. im sure that change was seen as pc rubbish too.

An army is there for defence Of a nation. everyone in that nation should have the opportunity, if they have the ability to serve, regardless of race, gender, sexuality etc.

You only have to look at ww2 and see it wasn't just white young straight men in a uniform putting themselvss in danger to fight for freedom. Today, through the changes the army etc have made to allow recognition of that. At the end of the day, if you are fit and have the right attitude, gender, race and sexuality isn't an issue.

The way (I may have the wrong type of unit) speacial forces in the us are trained in combat has changed from a one of 'kill the enemy' to one of 'kill to defend' as they were finding recruits who leftbthe service were prone to violence towards civilian s upon leaving the army.

Not sure about restricting lads mags, seems daft but not everything will be perfect.

Yes you do.

If you haven't served, how could you know?

Oh you saw a bid or movie or read an article?

That is not experience.

You know what combat soldiers want when they aren't fighting?

I do!!!

They want to do things that take their mind off of it.

You know women, cars, good food.

They don't have the mental capacity or time during a firefight to worry about "will me saying this this way hurt somebody some places feelings?".

They are trying to kill other people before they get killed by them.

It all seems so easy sitting on the couch.

It is not.

It is violent terrifying and heart breaking all in the span if 1 second for sometimes hours or days at a time.

PC as well as politics does not belong on the battlefield or in a soldiers life.

Leave that idiocy where it belongs.

In politics.

a reply to: Voyaging

WE ARE discuss the poor SAPS who have to go out and fight AFTER the rest of ideas FAIL.
Before that happen USUALLY THE toucht FEELY types should have averted the conflic in the first place ,not volunteered to whine about debauchery and culture THAT is for civilians who aren't going to fight and die.
The warrior MINDSET is what wins not appeasing popular masses,Samurai ,Spartans,Vikings ,WE uphold such people because of natural aggression that is useful, not SLAUGHTERING innocents and unprofessional THUGGERY that EASTERN armies fall to once the officers are killed.

a reply to: TechniXcality

They think WE MAKE all of our troops behave in that fashion or we criticize them for NOT doing our acts of decadence.
WE know better.
THAT is the differnce between PROS and friggin High school.
you don't WANT porn ,smoking or drinking FINE but don't tell US not to.

originally posted by: Voyaging
a reply to: johnwick

Right now there seems to be a conflict in the way the military is run which is driving away honorable, hard working individuals that want nothing more than to protect their families which is not a good scenario and obviously needs to be corrected.

I think what is driving honorable people away from the military is lack of honorable leadership.

Everyone sees that what we are fighting for now is NOT honorable. Everyone sees that the military is the attack dog for the corrupt policies of our corrupt government.

People are questioning, and rightly so, the idea of sacrificing their lives for the totally corrupt policies of our government, and ultimately the banksters that run it.

Sadly, and I know my WW2 vet Grandfather is rolling over in his grave, there is no Honor left in Washington.

People are sadly finally seeing the Emperor has no clothes.

originally posted by: Voyaging
a reply to: beezzer

I agree that there definitely needs to be a line drawn, but it should be drawn by everyone, not one side over the other. If both sides of the argument have a screw you attitude, then unfortunately, I don't see much of anything being done.

Civies can sod off!!!

If they have not served they do not deserve to dictate to soldiers what they should do.

They don't have a clue what soldiers do or need to do to fight and win.

Since they have no clue, they deserve no say.

Oh I know, civies think carebear outfits are cute and cuddly, so our soldiers should wear them in combat to look nicer and be less intimidating.

Do you not see the disconnect?

Sdiers are ment to not look cute and cuddly, and are intentionally intimidating.

That is the entire point!!!

You win be psychology alone by not being cute and cuddly.

It is a fact of combat.

If they fear you, you will win!!!!!

a reply to: johnwick

Im perfectly entitled to an opinion thank you.

Im sure judging by your view, the us army wouldnt have women ser ing and still have segregated units based on race too.

What you do or how you unwind in your own time is up to you

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Yeah it is really horrible that as a last resort they are the ones who have to go out and fight with their lives for our lives. But what I am saying is that it would be, in my opinion, prudent to not want to potentially offend the people that might one day be at your side helping to keep you alive and to accomplish the same goal as you.

a reply to: stosh64

Agreed but when it comes time to pay the piper WE ALL may have a problem.
THE corrupt bull##it will ecentually come to a head, THEN who will fight for America?
Hopefully my welcomed death will preceed that day.

a reply to: johnwick

Civvies do and should have a say in how you act, you are serving them.

Its not your militia , you're in the army now, just do as you are told ; p

a reply to: johnwick

Lol you're funny. I don't believe I mentioned one thing about the wardrobe our soldiers wear. But I totally agree that soldiers should try not to be cute and cuddly... it might not help them too much if they were. And I'm sorry but I just don't agree that I can't form my own opinion on what I choose. Now who is the one stepping on others' rights?

a reply to: ProleUK

NOT any more.
The US army is micromanaging now ,you have to take ONLINE classes, Drinking is shunned SMOKING is getting to be a taboo as well,I have mixeed feelings about smoking myself ,But the rampant girly boys who are offended by the way the wind blows won't jump into a firefight when bullets start striking meat.
IT IS ugly, IT IS wrong but IT IS NOW needed when our LEADERS screw up.
CHANGE the MIGHT MAKES right EASTERN logic FIRST.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

So according to your logic. Men that would rather not inhale carcinogens would rather not fight for yours and their rights and families rights and freedoms?

originally posted by: Voyaging
a reply to: johnwick

Well I don't know the statistics of who is gay or no in the military. And I certainly don't think that there should be any unfairness to any group in the military, or any institution. But this cavalier screw you attitude is what stagnates progress. Right now there seems to be a conflict in the way the military is run which is driving away honorable, hard working individuals that want nothing more than to protect their families which is not a good scenario and obviously needs to be corrected. I don't have the answers, I was just stating that there should be tolerance both ways and that the guy in the video didn't need to sensationalize an already important topic that speaks for itself by adding it phases like "glorious battlefield experience" and "enemies of freedom".

Yes because telling soldiers " these guys have families also , so make sure to keep that in mind while you are shooting at them" will help.

The human mind has to depersonalize the enemy.

And glorify combat.

There is no other way to make sense of it that people can accept.

If you are worried about the effect you killing somebody has on their wife and their kids.

Your wife and kids will find out first hand, because you will be dead.

This is why civies don't deserve a say.

They don't and can't understand.

Thus they don't have context, thus can't make an informed decision.

Thus they can't have a say.

It all always sounds good on paper for a civie.

Try living it just once.

You would then change your tune rapidly.

a reply to: ProleUK

As far as I'm concerned civies ought to keep their opinions to themselfs and the beer flowing and the women coming. That's your way of honoring

a reply to: Voyaging

AS A POINT of clarification, I think he is speaking about that RIDICULOUS camo the Army was using UCP.
A civilian was instrumental in creating that lovely piece of kit.

a reply to: stosh64

I couldn't agree more. The illusion of the wolf in sheeps clothing is receding and now all that is left for the people to view is the wolf and the people don't like their new view too much.