Why the hate on Israel on ATS . What have they done to YOU.

a reply to: hutch622

I try not to hate, but dislike.

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Plus, Jews are know crooks and swindlers, they have the highest cross section IQs, of any people on earth.
But they are thief's.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

You seem to assume you know a lot about me , you know nothing about me . If you were a psychic you would soon be on the streets with a tin in your hand . And i doubt you would see that coming . I am not pro Israel . This post was about trying to get an idea of how many people have had something personally done to them by Israel . If that was the start of the hatred or dislike if you will . I doubt very much if i could change anyone's views , nor should i try to . However i find it ironic that not one person has said anything about Hamas lobbing rockets over the border into Israel , who started that is a chicken and egg thing depending on what source you want to believe . They are not firing those rockets for self defence , they cant hit crap . Maybe if they stopped who knows Israel might as well . One thing is for sure , fighting needs to stop before peace can begin . I have added a little video . The title is misleading as they ask both sides . The man at the 10.56 mark is the answer to the problems i think . Perhaps if he was in charge of both Palestine and Israel .

If you can be bothered watching at least go to 10.53 , this video asks both sides . The title is misleading .

You are right, I do not know that much about you.

But what I do know is that anyone who asks a dozen times in response to us posting about Israel's crimes "but what have they done to you" shows a clear bias in favor of Israel. It also shows a lack of understanding about our communal responsibility for protecting the weak from the strong. As westerners, in a democracy, we ARE responsible for judging whether our governments' aid, money, and weapons are being used for evil in support of Israel. That is one of the responsibilities of being a citizen in a democracy.

So the fact that your tone keeps on implying that somehow unless we have been personally harmed by Israel then there is no reason to judge is ridiculous. You can't honestly believe that this is rationale.

Again, by your logic a white person should never care about racism against blacks nor say anything. A straight person should never stand up for gay rights. An American should never judge Nazi Germany for its treatment of the Jews. Etc ad infinitum. Only caring about issues when it personally affects one is the height of selfishness and non-empathy.

If Israel perhaps stopped slowly taking all of the Palestinian land, perhaps there would be no need to fight?

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Did you watch the video or even read what i said about the man at 10.53 . Did you read what i said about peoples rights to have whatever view the want on Israel . And having a bias towards Israel , does being circumcised count . If the answer is no you are once again wrong .

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Did you watch the video or even read what i said about the man at 10.53 . Did you read what i said about peoples rights to have whatever view the want on Israel . And having a bias towards Israel , does being circumcised count . If the answer is no you are once again wrong .

It doesn't matter. The fact that you continued to bring up "but what have they done to you" obviously is not a real viewpoint nor rebuttal of people's critiques of Israel.

I won't argue further because the entire discussion is non-sensical.

a reply to: johnwick

As an agnostic, lapsed Roman Catholic, who lived in a VERY Hebrew community in NE Philadelphia, I have experience of being treated as a Goy. I was not ever a believer in religion. I even tired. I did not blame the Jews for killing christ. People who are sanctimonious and justifiably so, rarely come to a good end.
Something that the Jews should appreciate BY NOW.

The Jewish State, a land possessed by Zionists, self-entitled by the word of their god, attacked the USS Liberty. They celebrate every other nations' troubles. They are full of hackers and spies. They made the 'Samson Option', to nuke the world if they are liable to fall, a cornerstone of their diplomacy. They display ineptitude toward performing as a nation in the council of nations. (UN resolutions anybody?) They act in a barbarous manner toward their neighbors.

They are offensive to my sensibilities and I don't care if you FEEL that I am anti-whatever. I am consistent in my judgements and it is not only Zionists that disturb me. I'm not a fan of Islam or any other aggressive form of religion. I don't like our (USA) foreign policies.
I recognize that nations have self-interests. Is-it-real's interests are always gathering unto themselves what their neighbors have or want to possess. They actively intrude, undermine and savage the Palestinians, whose only error was being where the Jews wanted to be. The fact that we had done the same thing with the Ameri-Indians is nothing for which I am proud. If I were alive during that period I would have done my complaining if I were aware of these actions. That is in the primitive past, not the glowing present.

The people in Is-it-real are as manipulated as we in the US are. If they survive, I hope that they need not look upon themselves as collectively horrible.

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: hutch622
You are an idiot. Sorry mods but sometimes idiots have to be named and shamed.

My only concern regarding the op, is why cant honest questions about israel and the me etc be asked without responses like the above? WHO wants to preach about hatred again? It sure as hell wasnt the op in this case, but we see this every day now on ats! The mods should remove posts like this, they probably will but not soon enough.

But go ahead and just call the op an idiot for asking a question because thats the new cool thing to do. This crap is getting old, fast.

I'm with you. I don't really want to comment anymore. To many vicious attacks all the time. But then again it is pretty easy to type you're an idiot, or a troll online. The ones who want a constructive debate take the high road.

The Jew declared war on Germany first.

Hitler gave them the option to leave, they chose the blood, to martyr the people, they chose themselves.

Even the UN has condemned them as the worst.

a reply to: hutch622


Zionism is virtually identical to Nazism, right down to the ethnocentric attitude. Sterilizing Ethiopians, anyone?

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Israelis CONSTANTLY point the finger at colonial Americans and their treatment of Native Americans as justification for their mistreatment of Palestinians, even going as far as to deny that there are such a thing as "Palestinians". They literally do not recognize Palestine, ironically no different than some Arabs refuse to recognize Israel.

The U.S. has been pouring billions of our tax payer dollars into defending Israel, and for what? Israel isn't a conventional democracy, so the argument that Israel is some haven of Western ideology in the Middle East is ridiculous. There's virtually no return on any of the money we are pouring into Israel. Rather, we are being held at ransom, since Israel has made it clear that should Israel be over ran by enemies, they would even consider nuking Europe, thereby making Israel's security a Western responsibility at the point of a loaded weapon.

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Israel has spies deeply embedded within the U.S. Government, which seems surprisingly redundant due to the number of U.S. Politicians which have been bribed into serving Israeli interests, not to mention AIPAC and the many other pro-Israel lobby groups and think-tanks all serving to further Israeli influence in the U.S.

Why all the Israel hate? That you need to be spoonfed reasons begs the question, why don't you already know?

"Deny Ignorance"

So the OP wants us to adopt the classical "out of sight, out of mind" attitude.

The typical attitude for the modern day politician, he should run for office.

originally posted by: OOOOOO
The Jew declared war on Germany first.

Hitler gave them the option to leave, they chose the blood, to martyr the people, they chose themselves.

Even the UN has condemned them as the worst.

Well where else were they supposed to go dude? He invaded the whole of western Europe. Then carried out genocide on every Jewish person he could. No one else would take them either. That's in part what the mass immigration into western countries was about after WWII. All the western countries pledged to never leave people who were in need in the cold like that again. Not that we exactly followed tough on that pledge, but that was the plan.

Yeah, the hardcore Zionists are unbelievable in there beliefs. But lets face it, there no more extremists than any other hardcore patriot of any other country. Hardcore patriotism as a whole is the problem when it comes to all the human rights crimes around the world, not just the Israelis.

Let he who doesn't live in a glass house throw the first stone, yeah?

a reply to: Konduit

Please tell me where i have denied Israels involvement in the occupied territories , the attacks upon Palestine . I have not condoned anything , nor have i denied it .There are many here who have a very strong views of these things as is their right . The question was "what have they done to you " . If they have done nothing to you why are you even responding , or are you just jumping on the " here is a Zionist bandwagon " . The fact remains that most of the replies have skipped my question and launched into an anti Israel bashing mode while calling me a troll , shill , and bonehead . Feel free to quote me , but i know you cant . ATS hint , read the OP . If you are unsure of the point or question in an OP please feel free to ask . Dont embarrass yourself by reading half a dozen replies and believe you know enough to give an intelligent reply .

You did not .

a reply to: yourignoranceisbliss

Zionism is virtually identical to Nazism,

Suggest a change of meds .

Frankly OP, they made my world unsafe and hostile. It is MY WORLD and they made it that much worse. It will be my childrens world, and it is worse off because of them.

They cost me trillions of my country's tax dollars, make my country look like psychopaths for supporting them.....they have killed my country's service men many times, they try to get my people involved in wars and conflicts not our own for petty reasons not directly related to security, but for wealth and power......

In short, they are our allies, but the time has come to ask if they are worthy of being our allies.

Liars, cheaters and evil men.

EDIT TO ADD:
They also want to complete prophecy ahead of time and bring about the end of days because they will supposedly be in a better place when that happens. That is pretty weird.

They are loons....very strange.

I dont hate them though. I wish they would change. That may never happen, so maybe our relationship with them should.

a reply to: tadaman

I would suggest the majority of their citizens feel the same way .

a reply to: hutch622

I dont see how.

care to elaborate?

About us? Thats absurd. Are we just making things up now WILLY NILLY?

a reply to: tadaman

Compulsory service might be a hint .

a reply to: hutch622
Are you posting under duress? Just spill it. Unless there is no meat to your post and I am meant to buy and sell this thing.

How does Israel feel about us like I said I do about them?

a reply to: tadaman

Once again , the question was , have they done anything to you . I give up . this may be my last reply . I dont need to justify my OP question . It was a question that has been turned into a thread where everyone and his dog needs to justify their dislike of Israel .

a reply to: hutch622

I dont dislike Israel. You asked and I answered. What I said was what they did to me.

I guess I will have to create meaning for your last post.

In that case the compulsory service is akin to my sentiment because the average Israeli is forced into service by a fascist government that does not make their lives easier and they are tired of it? I guess.

That they are tired of defending their country after disastrous leaders made the long term prospects of peace for them a pipe dream after all the injustice done in their name?

I did answer your OP...you answered back in cryptic I dont know what.

I dont understand. I didnt care why you made this thread, I didnt ask for an explanation did I ?

I just answered as you tasked us to.

????

a reply to: tadaman

Perhaps you are right about the duress thing , looking at it i can understand why you would be scratching your head . But i am tired of defending an OP that i should have worded better and set some parameters for replies .