Oh yes, I am *soooo* unamerican *cough*

Ohh TE made a mistake

That feels better
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Will all those who posted in this thread against the United States or Britain please report to you local police stations for beatings and torture.

Those who insulted either leader will after the beatings and torture and be executed and as per policy ground into ground beef to be sold to fast food chains for consumption.

The standards fees for the above have not changed but keep in mind we do not accept checks, cash or credit cards.

To bad in some counties this year what is above is not funny or absurd.

So while you may not like this country might I sugest you avoid eating the hamburger in others.

As to why the world is like that don't blame the USA its only 200+ years old.





[Edited on 5-6-2003 by Toltec]

Wow, this is quite the heated discussion. I agree with Skadi_the_Evil_Elf and Thorfinn Skullsplitter. As a citizen of America, it is your duty to challenge the authenticity of the authority. One must never blindly follow anothers word without justly considering all sides of the issue.

JediMaster, it is Americans like you who are rapidly turning America into a fascist government. I mean come on, you speak without thought acting just as if you are a rabid animal relying on instinct alone. I want you to think about what you said within your first post:

"You should support you country wheter it was right or wrong."

That comment is beyond absurd in so many ways. But as you said in your second post:

"I am sounding like a broken record"

Yes in fact you do sound like a broken record, perhaps a college education would help? Instead of religiously adhering to the latest ultra conversative super patriot speak, perhaps you could regain control of your own mind.

Anyway, I tried to avoid replying to this topic because childish flame war which has ensued, yet I have something against these super-patriots that believe it's American to be fascist, therefore I just had to reply.

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein

[Edited on 5-6-2003 by Attero Auctorita]

"The constitution is based upon NAtural law, that is to say, God's law."

TC what ever happended to seperation of church and state? I'm pretty sure that's what our founding father's wanted and for good reason! This government is fascism at its best. This country is just like a little kid. When 9/11 happened somebody was going to pay. It's like we got hit from behind and we threw a punch before opening our eyes. Bush wanted to finish the war his father didn't, and now WE are paying for it as American citizens. Bush is the worse thing to happen since Richard Nixon. We all complained when Clinton was in office, but now I'm BEGGING!!! PLEASE COME BACK! Someone besides this war-monger we have now, and yes I'm proud to be an American. I believe we were blessed to have the founding fathers we did, but now one administration is destroying everything they tried to teach us. Bush needs to learn his history! As do a lot of us!

We don't need anymore leaders, we need to scrape all laws down to the basics. Leaders are the cause of all wrong in the world, # the alpha male.

As humans we need to evolve, and forget our hive instinct. But hell, we're just domesticated primates, unfortunately there are dominant people and submissive people. Dominant people make governments, start wars, make laws, kill, boss around the submissive, and generally think they are gods gift to earth. Submissive people live in peace, respect everybody, and get trampled on by the dominant people. Obviously the dominant people are the scourge of the earth, and need to die for humanity to evolve to the next stage.

This is the root of all of the problems within our womb planet..

[Edited on 5-6-2003 by Attero Auctorita]

Say that to my face.

Gimmie your home address. I'll go to you, you get every single one of your friends an their friends, because you will need them.


By the way, I'm currently in Michigan, so you have plenty of time.

[Edited on 5-6-2003 by ADVISOR]

Like other members of this forum, I am getting to the point of considering any contributions to threads such as this as a waste of time. Here is an interesting qoute by Jedimaster:

Ya know what. I find what you say offending. Two cousins of mine died at Pearl Harbor, and another one executed by the Japs. My family has always served the USA, and they would die as fast as I would for it.

If they were cousins, then you should be old enough to remember when Ike (Eisenhower) was president. Then as I have, you should have noticed the decay of American civil liberties over the years. The decay to Fascism. Should we support whatever the government does Right or Wrong? At what point do you stand up and say, "This is WRONG!"? Do you want the name of a true patriot? The name is Hans Ulrich Rudel. Never heard of him? Well he only won the Knights Cross with Golden Oak Leaves. The only man ever to win such a high award. Wait a minute you say, the US never handed out a Knights Cross. You are right Hans Rudel was a Luftwaffe pilot (Stuka). Among other things, he was credited with destroying 519 Russian tanks. Wait a minute - Rudel was a Nazi (and he remained a Nazi throughout his entire life, never recanting like Galland or Hartman), but he was a true patriot (but for Germany). Don't you see the danger of unbridled nationalism? Just spend a few hours studying the rise and fall of the Thrid Reich and you will see the danger of the concept of "my country - right or wrong". Where were the good Germans when Hitler and his jack booted thugs were burning Jewish synagogues and throwing his political enemies into concentration camps? Most of them stood by and did nothing because to oppose Hitler would be "unpartriotic". You think it can't happen here? Well think again. It is happening - just look around. In other posts, I have given web sites of men and women who have put and are putting their fannies on the line to hold back the federal monster. I doubt if any one here has accessed these sites because the people who run the sites express faith views that may offend their delicate sensibilities. Well these people are attempting to insure that your civil liberties and property rights aren't totally taken away. (Incidentally the right to property is the most fundamental civil liberty. Without the right to property, your other civlil liberties don't really matter. I can show you why, but I doubt that many people here would see the connections.)

RIGHT

"The constitution is based upon NAtural law, that is to say, God's law."

The majority of framers of the constitution were Christians. Those who were not, kept it in "the closet". The constitution was based on Christian ethics written by Christians. Seperation of church and state was originally meant to mean that the federal government could not establish a national church such as the Church of England (supported by taxes). The framers never meant that government actions were not to be based on Christian ethics. To say otherwise would require ignoring the entire legislative and judicial history of the first 100 years of the republic. The constitution is based on Christian morals - get over it.

As I look around, I see this country sliding into a new form of Fascism with too few people willing to do what is required to stop the slide. Personally I have given up hope quite some time ago, but I cannot become part of "the system" because it is nothing but a pack of lies.
At this point it time, my feelings towards the future of the USA mirrors the feeling expressed by that famous line in Gone With The Wind. "Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn".

[Edited on 5-6-2003 by jagdflieger]

What exactly would you like me to say to your face?

By the way, one has got to love your avatar, gotta love the symbolism of America being to bully alpha male of the world.

God could perfect the world in performing just one action, that action would just happen to be cleansing the earth of the dominant species of man such as yourself.

I just realized something reading FLNEKO's post.

The reason why countries fall into "evil corrupt puss holes" like we were with Clinton.

Is because all the decent and moral people, when the call to arms sounds, stand up and heed that call.

While all the immoral, thieving, snivelling whimps, corrupt with greed, hide and crawl into trash cans.

So a nation naturally can't live much longer than 400 years, Rome lasted about 300 as a republic, once it began fighting wars on a large scale.

Because all the upstanding citizens die out...people forget what is right, all that's left to breed are the whimpy villains.

America is beginning to feel this, after Vietnam so many of the good and decent people had been exterminated, that all that was practically left so it seems, were the Hippies.

Welcome to self-termination.

LoL.

I bet you, if there were no wars, governments would never become corrupted

Anyways...Seperation of Church and state mind you, does not mean people like teachers and such should not be allowed to wear their crosses.

Sometimes that "Seperation" is taken too far.

I can only hope that some day, my name will be added to those seen and remembered as TRUE Patriots. Or maybe, my name will never be known...hehehe

Attero, thx for comment I enjoy it too. Also I have nothing against you as a person. The only reason you drew my attention, was do to your verbal pattern, something in my Alpha gene just couldn't resist. Felt like you were challenging me.

DAMN! gene! Grrrrr!



p.s.
My offer still stands

Originally posted by Attero Auctorita
We don't need anymore leaders, we need to scrape all laws down to the basics. Leaders are the cause of all wrong in the world, # the alpha male.

Say that to me face, and I highly advise you have more than ten people. Don't worry though I work alone, and won't use deadly force unless used upon me.

Now there's an Uncle Sam I can look up to!

Well, when we meet do you mind if I kill you right off the bat with my glock? May as well start the process of cleansing the earth. No offence.

Hmm Atterro, if I didn't know any better, which I do, you sounded just like Hitler there

"...A world on fire." -- Hitler

Attero Auctorita you defame the name of Most Holy God. How dare you invoke the name of God in such a manner. Unless you are a believer in Christ, do not use the name of God.

But lets do this away from the civs, and please bring more than ten people, that way I can use more than one mag. Hey nice choice of pistols, what glock do you use? I prefur the 30, and pack two.


*Predator voice echos*
Any time...

Perhaps i'm the Hitler to end all Hitlers. Is Christ the only god?? Didnt think so. I wouldn't be so sure that there is indeed a god, if their were an omnipotent god as you believe, you would think life would be perfect. Which it obviously is far from...

Why must things be perfect? Experience happens out of doing, perfection means there is NO other choice but 1.

Evolution is always on the course to perfection. Life is evolution and evolution is life...

[Edited on 5-6-2003 by Attero Auctorita]

the thing about changeing the way Americans/People and the way we think especially, is that people don't want to change. And if they do it's because they are in a transition "phase". Now I know this country of ours in the US ain't the Good o'le US of A anymore. And that's why I am what I am


Attero, I agree with your opinion. Exept for the killing me part, that I see as a challenge still. Perhaps we could work together first, after all it seems we have the same goals.

Advisor - I was just playing on the killing you part, I could never kill anybody (well maybe I could, situation permitting), I don't even have a gun (yet.. but I really want a glock..). Indeed it seems as though we have some common goals. I just thought you were picking me out for a challenge as well! Sorry about the threat...

[Edited on 5-6-2003 by Attero Auctorita]