Oh yes, I am *soooo* unamerican *cough*

Well whatever u wish to believe, Thomas. My morals are quite dfferent from Judeo Christian ones, and i dont see them as dangerous. Being at both the extreme ends of conservatism and liberal ideas, i see a mix of both to be essential to the health of America.

Some things are slipping, thats true. The family unit, that is, the natural family unit, consisting of a male and female parent, with children, is degenrating and rotting, and since the soundness and health and continued existance of any society, culture, or civilization depends on the health and strength of the family unit, if we continue this destruction anti-family mentality, we will experience total social collapse.

Now, to mantain the family, youdont need Judeo Christian ethics. Many civilizations and cultures around the world have existed fine, have kept the family units together by thier own systems.

But we need something other than goey psycho babble shrink crap to keep families healthy, we need to relearn responsibility, maturity, and become long term thinkers. Those are the key factoras in maintaining the family.

The strongest of cultures are rooted in belief. Yes, you do need your morals rooted in belief. Yes, ours are rooted in Judeo-Christianity. Yes, we became a powerful nation under these beliefs, and we beat the opposing nation based on the belief in the government.

The sociology professor in college (around 1991, so please don't expect me to remember the name of the tribe) told us about a group of people in South America who worshipped the panther. It was a magical creature to them, it moved stealthily through the jungle and they only got glimpses of the creature that sometimes took a member of their little society. There was no debate or discussion, this was as it was. Their rules of conduct were rooted in their religion. Things like murder were unheard of, it was not done. There was no multi-culturalism, no mixing or confusion, just simply their culture or the highway.

Obviously an extreme case, but to show that it isn't just us that needs our society based on grounded morals, its all solid nations.

Morality, yes. More importantly, familiy tho.

bush is a puppet of the illuminati, as are most world leaders.
true americans don't tell each other what they should think. land of the FREE. FREE speech. so why, do the dixie chicks, et al. get such a heavy hand? has everybody followed the money? if paul revere were alive, he'd be riding around screaming, "the globalist totalitarian facsists are coming, the globalist totalitarian facsists are coming!".
you could say, "america sucks" in the seventies and eighties. why not now? why is it called, "dissent" now.
i love the principal of america. the reality is entirely different these days. america is ruled by big money and the global illuminati all seeing eye power structure. the media tells you what to believe and is controlled by the banksters who also control everything else. there are no borders except income brackets. there are no terrorists, except for the elite.

billybob

While most would say that that was uneducated ranting without any proof; in reality, most of it's true.

You don't need to provide documents to prove that most of what you said is true. All you have to do is look around.

It's easy for some of us to see that the bankers/politicians/KKKorporate C.E.O.'s/preachers/news reporters/etc. aren't that great at lying.


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True Americans don't tell each other what they should think?

You just did.

I don't know where you got that idea from to begin with.

nice dog you got, there. FREE speech. land of the FREE. i didn't tell anybody what to think. that's unfounded. i said what i thought.

"true americans don't tell each other what they should think"

You did.

Thanks, the dog is a Belgian Malenois. They are super dogs; very smart, tons of energy and not as likely to develope hip dysplesia, many German Shepard owners can tell you is heart-breaking.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
"true americans don't tell each other what they should think"

You did.

Thanks, the dog is a Belgian Malenois. They are super dogs; very smart, tons of energy and not as likely to develope hip dysplesia, many German Shepard owners can tell you is heart-breaking.

you cannot have free speech without free thought. there is a difference between discussion and directive. i don't see how the statement, "true americans don't tell each other what they should think", is a directive. it does not command anybody to think anything, except what they want to think (which is not a command). freedom is THE underlying principle of america, therefore, true americans don't tell each other what they should think. totalitarian communists, religious zealots, and orwellian doublethinkers and advertisers do tell each other what to think.

it is sad when a creature decays. i've known some of these hippy old shepards. sad.

Originally posted by Total Enslavement

Originally posted by JediMaster
You should support you country wheter it was right or wrong.

You are only hurting your country by thinking like that. Hurting as well as destroying integrity.

Supporting your country whether it's right our wrong equates to mindlessness and uncaring to the future well being of your homeland.

support the country in times of war. espically our troops. they need all the encouragement. support the troops weather or not your infavor of the conflict.

THis thread is still here! This was the first one I was on when I came to ATS.

Originally posted by JediMaster
What the hell has Bush done the world. What? Give me a good damn example. One damn example. I am near my last nerve's end with you ignorance. You Sakadi and Skull are jsut blind left-wing hippies liek Michael Moore.

Fine, I am going to join the Navy in about 6 years, and I will serve my nation proudly. Personaly I think you and Skull are the most unAmerican things in the country.

I am disgusted. I hope you two do nto even call youselves American. I pray to God you do not. I think you should get the hell out of America right now.

And I hope you don't think your conervative for one second.

This country is not dead in the least bit. You are blind with liberalism and hate they your cannot see the beauty of America.

Ignorance liek yours destroys worlds.
t think your conervative for one second.

im signingup for the air force in 4 monuths. i too well serve my nation proudly and go where she needs me. yes i will die for her. me and jedi here will be defending your right to call bush a "terrorist". you left wingnuts can think all your hippy crap is right but ill just ignore you. come to think of it besides defending your right to call bush a terrorist, we're defending your right to have hippy beliefs and protest the most insanigifcant things. your lucky there are people like me and jedi and others who defend the country and your believes. youe so lucky. if this was pre war Iraq you would all be toutured, or have loved ones dragged out into the street and shot right in front of you. you are very lucky

[Edited on 30-7-2003 by KrazyIvan]

Originally posted by Illmatic67

You should support you country wheter it was right or wrong.

LOL, that's like being a believer in God and loving Satan at the same time.

iLLi matic67, your inanities have reached the point of total inconsequentialistic proprtions............blah, blah...
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If you live in the United States Of America how can you stand yourself- are you not a hypocrite??


silly ...........................haheho

[Edited on 30-7-2003 by Tyriffic]

....the main reason for reasonable people was the riddance of the piece of crap called Sadaam.

He alone dictated the downfall of Iraq and the freedom of it's people.

We, the Coalition, did not interfere in a stable republic's doings. We interfered in the doings of a Murderer. A tyrannt.


blah blah blah............

im signingup for the air force in 4 monuths. i too well serve my nation proudly and go where she needs me. yes i will die for her. me and jedi here will be defending your right to call bush a "terrorist". you left wingnuts can think all your hippy crap is right but ill just ignore you. come to think of it besides defending your right to call bush a terrorist, we're defending your right to have hippy beliefs and protest the most insanigifcant things.

your lucky there are people like me and jedi and others who defend the country and your believes. youe so lucky. if this was pre war Iraq you would all be toutured, or have loved ones dragged out into the street and shot right in front of you. you are very lucky

[Edited on 30-7-2003 by KrazyIvan]

Ya know,I was just too tired to fight but, I trhink there's some dog left in me that still hunts. Question: Why is it that everytime some proud American needs to say how "lucky" we are, they always compare us to Iraq? Why can't you say:

"your lucky there are people like me and jedi and others who defend the country and your believes. youe so lucky. if this was pre war Netherlands you would all be toutured, or have loved ones dragged out into the street and shot right in front of you. you are very lucky."

I guess that doesn't work, huh?

How about pre war Switzerland?

That doesn't fit either, eh?

Well, how about pre war New Zealand!

Oh, ok. Well, if we are so lucky, how come they got it so good?

[Edited on 30-7-2003 by Colonel]