White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: deadeyedick



Fine, he's screwed the pooch. Let's go with that premise.



What is he supposed to do?

My answer is possible but in your hypothetical situation of hussian coming to terms with screwing things up and then wanting to make an effort to fix them would be to first take a long look at who's advice he has used more and begin to replace those he has surrounded himself with that have aided in fueling the misguided desires.

Begin to speak about these events as id his children just lost their heads. Personalize it in speach and thought. fire up the old talk machine and make a continued effort to get countries involved. Support jordan and egypt in more than just conversation on the topic.

Outline the need for reformation not interputation of the koran. Distinguish between terrorist and muslim terrorist and peaceful muslims. Drop all the rewording of events and call things for what they are. Begin to see and talk about the days after isis and boko haram are gone. I have much more

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
I find this to be an odd thing not to mention considering that the whole reason they were chosen for the beheading was their faith. Would the reason have been brought up if it was 21 gays or women that didn't cover themselves properly being victimized?

Of course it would have.

Remember the threads about tossing gays off the rooftop, and how all of us talked about how horrible that was?

Remember the threads after the Charlie Hebdo attacks that dug up every Muslim victim of the incident just so we could point out how it wasn't really Islamic terrorism?

But see how it's no appropriate at all to call it out when it is Christians who are beheaded.

Oh yes, I even remember talking about how awfully the Yazidis were and are treated. You know the ones who haven't yet been massacred.

Nope it's only wrong if you talk about it happening to Christians.

Hard to believe isn't it?

How do some of you sleep at night?

But when the Japanese were killed they were Japanese, when the Americans were killed they were American, when the British where killed they were British. Is it really religion we need to be selling here? They kill everyone...even their own!!!

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: IAMTAT

White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

Why should it matter if the latest victims shown in the irresponsible media hype around "ISIS" are Christians or anything else?

Forgive me, but let me try putting it like this:
If ISIS says they had just beheaded a large group of people because they were members of ATS...don't you think it would matter to ALL members of ATS?

Not if they were Christian ATS members, I am starting to believe some in here enjoy the fact Christians are killed.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
In response to the OP alone, I don't understand the word refuse in the title. As far as I am aware, in order to refuse there has to be a request or an order right? Has there been such a request or order?

On to the main idea of removing the importance of the religious angle from official statements. It seems to be preferable from some quarters that we make the situation purely religious. How can that help?

If the agenda were to create an us versus them, known enemy, clear cut decision to define positions then I am sure that governments would do that. They aren't doing that, and it's pretty clear why.

A religious war, with all that that would entail is just horrific to even imagine. It would literally be a free for all, killing on the streets, trust no one human disaster. Do you REALLY think any person wants that?

"In response to the OP alone, I don't understand the word refuse in the title. As far as I am aware, in order to refuse there has to be a request or an order right? Has there been such a request or order?"

---I didn't write any of those headlines. I believe they are referring to the blatant omission in the statement; by blatant, I mean as to the fact that ISIS specifically stated in their video that the 21 who were beheaded were beheaded BECAUSE they were Christian (see above postings).

"A religious war, with all that that would entail is just horrific to even imagine. It would literally be a free for all, killing on the streets, trust no one human disaster. Do you REALLY think any person wants that?"

---I agree; a religious war is horrific; a free for all; killing on the streets (or the beaches of Libya); a human disaster...something nobody wants.

But, a religious war is EXACTLY what ISIS has stated it is fighting. It's here...it's religious...and ignorance is not bliss (it's just ignorance).

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: deadeyedick

Fine, he's screwed the pooch. Let's go with that premise.

What is he supposed to do?

that's simple. Get Americans killed fighting yet another war that isn't ours to fight.

a reply to: Hefficide

Yep.

At the beginning of the Iraq war (the last one) I distinctly remember Bush saying crusade repeatedly and Rumsfeld doing the same and quoting Bible verses. (I don't remember Cheney doing that, but if he invoked the name of the Lord, I'm pretty sure he'd blow up or melt or be smited by lightning or something). Their rhetoric was infused with religion, so much so that they got called out for it, and Bush eventually had to give a speech about peaceful Muslims.

But by that time it was too late, the seed had been planted, and they used religion to get who they needed to be on their side on their side.

I remember Blackwater's neo-Crusade agenda and call signs.

I remember Rifles for Jesus and Bibles for Afghanistan and proselytizing where it was forbidden, and military chaplains saying we hunt people for Jesus. I remember crucifixes hanging from guns.

Just think how all this (and more that I'm sure I've forgotten) looked and looks from the other side. Perception is a funny thing...not so much its blowback.

I agree not to use the designation of "Christian". It just feeds the aspect of this being a religious war.

"Hey where are you from?" "I'm a Christian."

Good way to identify yourself.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: IAMTAT

White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

Why should it matter if the latest victims shown in the irresponsible media hype around "ISIS" are Christians or anything else?

Forgive me, but let me try putting it like this:
If ISIS says they had just beheaded a large group of people because they were members of ATS...don't you think it would matter to ALL members of ATS?

Not if they were Christian ATS members, I am starting to believe some in here enjoy the fact Christians are killed.

Get over the martyr thing already. There are probably 100 times as many you could say might enjoy the fact that Muslims are killed.

This is a ridiculous accusation all around. And totally misses the point of keeping religion the hell out of all of this. Or do you actually by chance believe this is a religious war?

a reply to: IAMTAT

They may have WANTED to start a religious war, however, that is not what they have achieved. In fact, if his is handled correctly, I can actually see a result in tolerance coming out of the ashes of this disaster. Call me naive if you like but, I have hope.

a reply to: Hefficide

Rambo III is where you get facts?

Have a good day.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: deadeyedick



Fine, he's screwed the pooch. Let's go with that premise.



What is he supposed to do?

My answer is possible but in your hypothetical situation of hussian coming to terms with screwing things up and then wanting to make an effort to fix them would be to first take a long look at who's advice he has used more and begin to replace those he has surrounded himself with that have aided in fueling the misguided desires.

Begin to speak about these events as id his children just lost their heads. Personalize it in speach and thought. fire up the old talk machine and make a continued effort to get countries involved. Support jordan and egypt in more than just conversation on the topic.

Outline the need for reformation not interputation of the koran. Distinguish between terrorist and muslim terrorist and peaceful muslims. Drop all the rewording of events and call things for what they are. Begin to see and talk about the days after isis and boko haram are gone. I have much more

So you want America to fight a religious war. A reformation of the Qur'an? If we do that to that book then we needs to do that to the Bible and Talmud as well because both are even more violent than the Qur'an. There is no difference between a Muslim terrorist and a Christian terrorist so why point out the religion?

a reply to: Jonjonj

I hope you're right.

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
"Hey where are you from?" "I'm a Christian."

Good way to identify yourself.

I can just imagine Bill Hicks using that line.

a reply to: buster2010

Yea ok i think your plan of us sitting back and finger pointing is the best plan we could come up with.

You use double speak by saying people are getting involved. That is good they are getting involved but the real question is what overall effect is their involvment having on the growth of isis?

You do not state truth by saying muslim extremist are not a threat to the usa. It is basically a lie. If someone says i am going to kill you or if they make threatening comments then they posing a threat to you.