White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

I agree not to use the designation of "Christian". It just feeds the aspect of this being a religious war.

Oh yes deception must be the path we are now choosing.



Nothing good comes from lies

The bunch of them are Dictators. Clearing the path so they can control and dictate. They don't care who you are, they have proven that everyday. Of course I'm sure they have an appetite for killing some groups more than others, but all in all, they are an equal opportunity group of blood thirsty killers.

Yes they most certainly care who you are and will kill you for not being a certain type of person.

originally posted by: FearYourMind
a reply to: Zaphod58

If titles don't matter, then I guess we don't have to acknowledge Jews as the victims of the holocaust anymore.

This sort of demonstrates a point here, but probably not in the way you intended it to.

The Jewish victims seem to be the only ones most people remember. Ask yourself why and then ask yourself if that isn't an injustice to the millions upon millions of others who also died but whose deaths are constantly overshadowed.

a reply to: IAMTAT

This is a all a game for fools and wannabe patriots around the world. And many are buying it hook.....line.....sinker.



TPTB are downplaying these terrible acts for the time being so the fools around the world demand action and military might. They make the enemy and than let him gain traction and than destroy......Rinse.....Repeat. Problem is eventually the so called enemies around the world will run out and this military industrial complex will have no choice but to retool or turn inwards........Guess what will happen smart readers around the collective world.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: deadeyedick

Suggesting that there needs to be a revision of Islamic belief coming from outside Islamic believers is an exercise in hubris. Do I believe that the radical interpretations of Islam need to be addressed? Of course I do, it wold however be folly for me to demand it. That surely needs to come from the consciousness of those who are within Islam. Once again I say, I believe that this change will come. It's simply unsustainable to be at war forever. Most non radicals I think are beginning to feel the weight of responsibility in this area. Polarisation not of religion, but of this religion, surely must come. And the better for it we all shall be.

I must have worded that a bit wrong.

I am not stating that it would be possible for a source outside islam to reform the verses but that those outside should point out the openended verses so the peaceful followers can know the truth and collectivly set their will for God's intervention in reforming those certain open ended verses. Most followers are not aware they exist in the form they exist because of interputation. That is how many honestly make the claim of being a religion of peace.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Of course Harper is going to mention that they are Christians. His entire voting base are herdcore oops hardcore Fundy Christian, it's the only thing that got him elected.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

My dear, there is Christian persecution, there is Jewish persecution, there is Muslim persecution, there is even Hindu and Buddhist persecution. Is there a contest going on that you are eager to win, or do you just want to deny that there are all kinds of people being persecuted in the world?

a reply to: kaylaluv

It is clear that poster has said there is a serious increase in the numbers.

a reply to: deadeyedick
Actually no, the mistake was mine not yours. The point still stands, and having reread your posts we are jin agreement. For far too long have radicals infected, by their personal interpretations, this religion allowing NO OTHER interpretation but theirs. And there is the problem, right there, instead of basically allowing personal interpretation of the qu'ran , they have forced in many places literal or even warped interpretation based on a book that hasn't moved with the times. We simply can't justify killing based on the rewritten interpretations of a book that is 13 centuries old. Society isn't the same, the world isn't the same.

Here's the final thing to remember.

This is a war against a group with a horrific agenda, and the allies in this fight are of no particular religion and all religions, so what is the point of calling religion out one way or another?

It's a step in the right direction to stop distracting people with religion and get the world focused on the actual threat.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Here's the final thing to remember.

This is a war against a group with a horrific agenda, and the allies in this fight are of no particular religion and all religions, so what is the point of calling religion out one way or another?

It's a step in the right direction to stop distracting people with religion and get the world focused on the actual threat.

Agreed. It's what I have been saying for a while.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

The only allies are the few countries that identified with individuals being killed. Not calling things as they are is just a step in helping others to not identify with those killed.

You will not care near as much until it gets personal and steps in how things are reported are just efforts to make it not personal.

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Here's the final thing to remember.

This is a war against a group with a horrific agenda, and the allies in this fight are of no particular religion and all religions, so what is the point of calling religion out one way or another?

It's a step in the right direction to stop distracting people with religion and get the world focused on the actual threat.

Agreed. It's what I have been saying for a while.

well you're wrong. when it's against jews, we say it's against jews. when it's against hindus, we say it's against hindus. and when it's against christians, we say it's against christians. if we don't, then how will we know when the problem has accelerated towards a particular group? egypt is asking coptic christians to return home. if they hadn't been told it was coptic christians, they wouldn't have told them to sound the alarm.

what the flip is wrong with you?????????????????

Someone should tell ISIS that, if they want to really rile up the West, they'll need to behead 21 people for being Gay, on video, because you know damn well that there would be a heavily flagged thread, and plenty of vocal opposition in the "free" world about that.

No one cares when it's Christians killed for their faith. No, when that happens, the response is "Who cares if they were killed for their beliefs? They're just people who died, isn't that enough?"

The simple answer is no, that isn't enough. They were killed because of their faith, not just for being "people". By the way, being killed because of your faith is persecution, for those on this thread that are apparently unable to understand that.

When someone who "identifies" as the opposite sex is told to use the proper bathroom, it's hands across America for them, but when a Christian is killed for being a Christian (let alone 21 of them), it gets downplayed as having little or nothing to do with their faith.

Quite frankly, the double standard around here, is becoming disgusting.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: kaylaluv

It is clear that poster has said there is a serious increase in the numbers.

Oh, so it IS a contest. Hope ya'll win!

Seriously, anytime anyone is killed or pushed out of their own country, it's a travesty.
Look at what happened to the Jews in Iraq:

www.nytimes.com...

EVERYONE over there is being persecuted by ISIS. It's not a contest.

At the end of the day, it was a murderous act on 21 innocent civilians.

IS murders everyone. From Muslims to Christians; from Syrians to Iraqis; from combatants to non-combatants, it doesn't matter to them. They will kill anyone who stands in their way, and they will kill anyone who isn't them.

Yes, it is obvious that IS is persecuting Christians, but they are not the only victims. The persecution of one minority does not minimise the persecution of everyone else. IS has used the same tactics to persecute Muslims and Yazidis, just to name a few.

Overall, i think the White House was correct to not name the Egyptians as Christians, even though they were. In not doing so, they haven't played into the hands of IS, which would very much like to play up this religious aspect.

originally posted by: undo

egypt is asking coptic christians to return home. if they hadn't been told it was coptic christians, they wouldn't have told them to sound the alarm.

what the flip is wrong with you?????????????????

If we are being totally honest, anyone who isn't ISIS should be getting the hell out of there, because anyone who isn't ISIS is in danger.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Here's the final thing to remember.

This is a war against a group with a horrific agenda, and the allies in this fight are of no particular religion and all religions, so what is the point of calling religion out one way or another?

It's a step in the right direction to stop distracting people with religion and get the world focused on the actual threat.

Agreed. It's what I have been saying for a while.

well you're wrong. when it's against jews, we say it's against jews. when it's against hindus, we say it's against hindus. and when it's against christians, we say it's against christians. if we don't, then how will we know when the problem has accelerated towards a particular group? egypt is asking coptic christians to return home. if they hadn't been told it was coptic christians, they wouldn't have told them to sound the alarm.

what the flip is wrong with you?????????????????

Thank you for being so clear in your reply, let me ask in return a question. What do you think can be gained from making this a religion based scenario? I expect your reply in the same curt tones as previously employed.

One of my previous posts mentioned the Japanese, Americans and British. Did you not care about that?

just stop. this thread is nauseating.