White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

this thread title is an out and out lie....the white house DID NOT REFUSE to call them Christians.....and yet, most people on this thread accept this title.....this is becoming common on ATS

a reply to: thesaneone

The picture from Rambo III is a fact - but, hey, mocking the messenger is an ancient and tried manner of ignoring the message.

The picture is a documentation of the collective opinion and perception of the people of the US when the "freedom fighters" of Afghanistan where fighting the big bad Russians we were in the Cold War with. Or have you forgotten or maybe are too young to know?

Which doesn't address the fact that the United Stated destabilized the Middle East through invasion.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: seagull

a reply to: deadeyedick







Fine, he's screwed the pooch. Let's go with that premise.







What is he supposed to do?

My answer is possible but in your hypothetical situation of hussian coming to terms with screwing things up and then wanting to make an effort to fix them would be to first take a long look at who's advice he has used more and begin to replace those he has surrounded himself with that have aided in fueling the misguided desires.



Begin to speak about these events as id his children just lost their heads. Personalize it in speach and thought. fire up the old talk machine and make a continued effort to get countries involved. Support jordan and egypt in more than just conversation on the topic.



Outline the need for reformation not interputation of the koran. Distinguish between terrorist and muslim terrorist and peaceful muslims. Drop all the rewording of events and call things for what they are. Begin to see and talk about the days after isis and boko haram are gone. I have much more

So you want America to fight a religious war. A reformation of the Qur'an? If we do that to that book then we needs to do that to the Bible and Talmud as well because both are even more violent than the Qur'an. There is no difference between a Muslim terrorist and a Christian terrorist so why point out the religion?

Yes the koran needs reformation but i am not saying the usa should reform it. That is a religous issue that God will work out if the will of the people in that religion is reformation.

The reason you need to point out and identify the problem is because the koran has open ended verses that call for killing and the bible has no such open ended verses.


Is that all you got from that post?

this thing is far from being wrapped up...

I ran across this blurb when trying to find that earlier article I mentioned in post on page 6

... According to Aljazeera.com the killings were directed at "the hostile Egyptian Church"
and were in revenge for "Muslim women persecuted by Coptic crusaders in Egypt."

Those who died had been all abducted from the Libyan town of Sirte in recent months.
On Saturday, Egypt announced that a second group of 21 Egyptians have also been kidnapped from Misrata, Egypt...

Another group of Coptic Christians kidnapped last Saturday ( the ? 14th of Feb. ? )


I wonder if they will be ritually beheaded too, for persecuting Muslim women in Egypt...?

that's the first time that a reason, other than being A Coptic Christian, has been used as a justification that I have heard, so I guess that makes the death penalty not-an-act of terror or brutality... let's consult the WH on that

originally posted by: jimmyx
this thread title is an out and out lie....the white house DID NOT REFUSE to call them Christians.....and yet, most people on this thread accept this title.....this is becoming common on ATS

it is all word games now

They have been murdering Christians and crucifying them all over the middle east, only certain ATS members are refusing to admit it, for whatever reason .

The Middle East is red with the blood of Christians
The atrocity by Islamic State sympathisers in Libya highlights the worsening persecution of non-Muslims all over the Middle East – violence that is driving them from their Biblical homelands

www.telegraph.co.uk...

The beheading of 21 Coptic Christians in Libya by forces sympathetic to Islamic State over recent days is sadly not an isolated case. On the contrary, it is the latest of countless outrages perpetrated against Christians in or near the Church’s Biblical heartlands over many years.
The latest victims were migrant workers from Upper Egypt. The announcement by the authorities in Cairo of retaliatory bombing raids on terrorist training camps in Libya should not blind us to an inconvenient truth – that more than 600,000 Christians have left Egypt over the past 30 years under both Islamist and supposedly secular regimes. Many got out because their homes or churches or businesses had been firebombed.

In the Iraqi city of Mosul, an exodus of Christians has occurred over the past year after Christian homes were marked with an “N” standing for “Naserenes”. Shortly after the Prince of Wales arrived in Jordan during his tour of the Middle East two weeks ago, he was introduced to a group of Iraqi Christian refugees. One told the Prince that they had been homeless for six months and didn’t want to return, “because it is impossible to live with the people who destroyed our homes and destroyed our church. . . When Da’ish [Islamic State] came . . . they deprived us of everything”.

WHEN EVEN THE KING OF JORDAN AND THE PRESIDENT OF EGYPT KNOWS THERE IS CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION, YET ATS MEMBERS REFUSE TO CONCEDE THERE IS, IT MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT SOME OF YOU,

SHAME


"When Da’ish [Islamic State] came . . . they deprived us of everything”.

this thing is far from being wrapped up...

I ran across this blurb when trying to find that earlier article I mentioned in post on page 6

... According to Aljazeera.com the killings were directed at "the hostile Egyptian Church"
and were in revenge for "Muslim women persecuted by Coptic crusaders in Egypt."

Those who died had been all abducted from the Libyan town of Sirte in recent months.
On Saturday, Egypt announced that a second group of 21 Egyptians have also been kidnapped from Misrata, Egypt...

www.examiner.com...



Another group of Coptic Christians kidnapped last Saturday ( the ? 14th of Feb. ? )


I wonder if they will be ritually beheaded too, for persecuting Muslim women in Egypt...?

that's the first time that a reason, other than being A Coptic Christian, has been used as a justification that I have heard, so I guess that makes the death penalty not-an-act of terror or brutality... let's consult the WH on that

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
I agree not to use the designation of "Christian". It just feeds the aspect of this being a religious war.

Oh yes deception must be the path we are now choosing.

Nothing good comes from lies

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

WHEN EVEN THE KING OF JORDAN AND THE PRESIDENT OF EGYPT KNOWS THERE IS CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION, YET ATS MEMBERS REFUSE TO CONCEDE THERE IS, IT MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT SOME OF YOU,

SHAME

Wonder what exactly? Whether we're sane enough to not want to perpetuate religious hatred? "Turn the other cheek" is a phrase I think I've heard somewhere. "Do unto others" is another one.

The sooner we realise the collection of psychopaths and sociopaths known as Isis is the common enemy the better. Using religion as a justification for murder in the most horrible ways imaginable, even going against the actual teachings of that religion, is basically the icing on the cake. Burning a person alive apparently goes against all the tenets of Islam, ergo these psychopaths don't follow Islam.
Sorry if that sounds apologistic, but it really is time to start thinking about the reality here, religion has no place in the discussion.

We have twenty-two months to survive Barack Obama’s remaining time in office.

Raymond Ibrahim of the Middle East Forum wrote on February 5 that “approximately 100 million Christians around the world are experiencing the persecution by Muslims of all races, nationalities, and socio-political circumstances.”
At the same time, we are witnessing a new exodus of Jews from Europe, mindful of the Holocaust in the 1940s. According to the Pew Research Center, as of 2013 the Jewish population worldwide was approximately 14 million. Just over 6 million reside in Israel, another 6 million are U.S. citizens, and the rest are in Europe and elsewhere around the world. What has not changed from the last century, however, is the level of anti-Semitism and it appears to be on the rise.
What we are witnessing is a full-scale attack on the West—Christianity and Judaism—and upon Western values of morality, democracy, and freedom.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
The sooner we realise the collection of psychopaths and sociopaths known as Isis is the common enemy the better. Using religion as a justification for murder in the most horrible ways imaginable, even going against the actual teachings of that religion, is basically the icing on the cake. Burning a person alive apparently goes against all the tenets of Islam, ergo these psychopaths don't follow Islam.

Sorry if that sounds apologistic, but it really is time to start thinking about the reality here, religion has no place in the discussion.

We also need to realize the true source that gives them power. Open ended verses in the koran calling for killing.

This is important because there are other groups that are doing as much damage as isis like boko haram and they all rely on the same ok that the koran gives them.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
I agree not to use the designation of "Christian". It just feeds the aspect of this being a religious war.

Oh yes deception must be the path we are now choosing.

Nothing good comes from lies

The bunch of them are Dictators. Clearing the path so they can control and dictate. They don't care who you are, they have proven that everyday. Of course I'm sure they have an appetite for killing some groups more than others, but all in all, they are an equal opportunity group of blood thirsty killers.

a reply to: Zaphod58

If titles don't matter, then I guess we don't have to acknowledge Jews as the victims of the holocaust anymore.

originally posted by: FearYourMind
a reply to: Zaphod58

If titles don't matter, then I guess we don't have to acknowledge Jews as the victims of the holocaust anymore.

Was the Holocaust a "Random" act too?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: FearYourMind
a reply to: Zaphod58

If titles don't matter, then I guess we don't have to acknowledge Jews as the victims of the holocaust anymore.

Was the Holocaust a "Random" act too?

Not the best parallel. Historically, the holocaust is a well known act of 'genocide'. This is more like a killing frenzy, it matters not who dies.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

So what happens in 22 months? The new POTUS nukes half the planet and globally outlaws Islam? I'm not seeing how this can be laid at the feet of a POTUS who has expanded war in that region well beyond that of his Republican predecessor.

a reply to: Hefficide

No one wants to accept that hidden powers run the show.

The same groups that fight for acceptence of changing words and tactics also fight against the thought of secret groups influencing the usa and world.

It would be cool to go back and change history but what we have to come together and agree on is that what we are seeing are the first stages of the final enemy. Our only chance now is too stop those current domination plans and deal with secret problems.

a reply to: deadeyedick
Suggesting that there needs to be a revision of Islamic belief coming from outside Islamic believers is an exercise in hubris. Do I believe that the radical interpretations of Islam need to be addressed? Of course I do, it wold however be folly for me to demand it. That surely needs to come from the consciousness of those who are within Islam. Once again I say, I believe that this change will come. It's simply unsustainable to be at war forever. Most non radicals I think are beginning to feel the weight of responsibility in this area. Polarisation not of religion, but of this religion, surely must come. And the better for it we all shall be.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Because it's all about who can scream "persecution" the loudest from their comfy Western living room.

That's the bottom line...

Why should the SECULAR federal government feed this religious hatred that is well in its way in this country? Why should the US government specify the religion of the people who were slain OR the religion of the murderers?

Because it doesn't matter.

Saying they were killed BECAUSE they were Christian sounds eerily like "hate crime" legislation, doesn't it? I thought you guys HATED the idea of hate crimes!?!?! I guess when the victim is Christian, it's different, huh?

BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW IF IT'S A HOLOCAUST.

sheesh.