Anti vaxxers a simple question.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

So you acknowledge that vaccines have saved millions of lives. WHy are you against them, then?

Apparently...you're not one for nuanced thinking

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

THen enlighten me, sempai.

If your vaccinated and I'm not then if we were both exposed to the illness allegedly that the vaccination was going to protect you from you should remain impervious and I will catch the illness. So what business of yours is it if I get sick or not? Then maybe again your just believing the propaganda and I'm not!

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

THen enlighten me, sempai.

From experience, nuanced thinkers are born...not made. If you cannot see the inherent fallacy of your thread, then I can't help. This is an exercise in validation for you and I'm not going to play the game.

Out.

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: boymonkey74

That is true ... that Autism now has a wider definition ... and yet Autism by which I mean severe Autism was once so rare it was a task to find such people

Wrong they were not even classed as Autistic and unfortunately put in mental institutions and classed as schizophrenic or just "retarded" you couldn't find them because they were locked away.
I look after people with severe autism and know this from the fact I look after some who were not classed as autistic until much later in life.

a reply to: GetHyped

Could you explain what you mean ...
you are failing to make sense ...

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ah, the ad hominem. The last resort of the logically bankrupt. Sadly, I fear I must find a new sempai.

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
If your vaccinated and I'm not then if we were both exposed to the illness allegedly that the vaccination was going to protect you from you should remain impervious and I will catch the illness. So what business of yours is it if I get sick or not? Then maybe again your just believing the propaganda and I'm not!

Because some people can not take a vaccine for various reasons and you can give it them.

a reply to: artistpoet

Keeping people alive with lifelong debilitating is one thing. Eliminate them altogether through vaccines so they can live long, healthy lives is another.

originally posted by: artistpoet
"Looking at this graph, it's pretty clear that death from measles declined considerably before the introduction of the vaccine...."

www.harpocratesspeaks.com... asles.html

No one has argued that deaths were not on the decrease from measles infections before the vaccine. They did a good job of decreasing mortality rates with treatments. Of course no one can argue that infection rates were on the decrease from before the vaccine either.

Oh and this is from your article.

I would argue, though, that if I had to choose one intervention that has had the most impact on measles deaths throughout history, I would pick vaccination. After all, if you never get infected with it, you can't die from it.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Wrong they were not even classed as Autistic and unfortunately put in mental institutions and classed as schizophrenic or just "retarded".
I look after people with severe autism and know this from the fact I look after some who were not classed as autistic until much later in life

Yes I agree many were put into archaic mental institutions and labelled "Mentally Retarded"
They were pumped up with drugs to keep them docile ... the label Autistic sprang from such folk ... and now it is such a wide classification that in some it is barely noticeable apart from lack of social skill

a reply to: Grimpachi

Thx never heard of that program before....

And we disagree on the anthrax...because when i was over there we were told that there were 6 different forms of it and the vaccine would protect against one...the one they thought he was used....wasn't very encouraging and if you could see the damage it did to me and some others I know..well...it wasnt worth it.

a reply to: artistpoet

Yes and because of this the amount of people diagnosed with it has increased...dispelling the myth that it is the vaccines that has caused it.

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
If your vaccinated and I'm not then if we were both exposed to the illness allegedly that the vaccination was going to protect you from you should remain impervious and I will catch the illness. So what business of yours is it if I get sick or not? Then maybe again your just believing the propaganda and I'm not!

Question answered here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But you have already been in that thread haven't you.

a reply to: GetHyped

Keeping people alive with lifelong debilitating is one thing. Eliminate them altogether through vaccines so they can live long, healthy lives is another.

Thanks for making your point clearer ... However I think you are wrong in thinking vaccines can eliminate all infections
You are not guaranteed to be immune from say measles by having the measles vaccine ... as has been proved this year with some who received the vaccine still getting measles ...

a reply to: GetHyped

Let's assume that science has prevailed and vaccines work. They get rid of the disease they are supposed to....

Pharma is a corporation. It is profit driven. So why would a company create something that would ultimately infringe on profits?

Is it not probable that vaccines may introduce something else in order to keep sickness prevalent in order to keep profits up?

This is the big fear, lack of trust with pharma.

Please don't reply with TL;DR thats lame.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Yes and because of this the amount of people diagnosed with it has increased...dispelling the myth that it is the vaccines that has caused it.

When speaking of severe Autism ... I speak of brain damage ... and it can be caused by vaccines ...

The Japanese observed 'autism' as a response to the DPT vaccine in the 1950s. America didn't catch on.

It was called "Refrigerator Syndrome" at first advent of commercially available refrigerators.

Also, sanitation, personal hygiene, soaps, antibacterial soaps, outdoor plumbing, border policies....have been the biggest helpers. Poorer equatorial countries also tend to have the worst sanitation, and strains upon strains develop their.

**Refrigerator Mother Theory...or Syndrome

a reply to: GetHyped

Herd immunity is so basic even a child could grasp it. It's not some esoteric fringe hypothesis, it's just how transmission vectors of disease work.

But you've "read deeply", so I here...

" It appears that this outdated college theory is still being used to trot out new vaccines…."

"Herd Immunity. This hypothesis was plucked out of an old college textbook..."

" If the herd immunity theory actually WORKED, those who have already been vaccinated should have nothing to worry about"