Anti vaxxers a simple question.

a reply to: artistpoet

Oh yes it was...
Please I have told you all why Autism appears to have risen (it hasn't) just the definition of what lies in the spectrum has.

a reply to: artistpoet

...and by "deeper research" you mean credulously buying into a load of bullcrap. Seriously, the guy was a fraud who faked research so he could push his rival patented vaccine to line his pockets. He is a crook and a scumbag.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Vaccines do save lives....but also a small percentage of people get sick from it. There are many soldiers who got sick after taking the anthrax vaccination....this is fact.

So the problem comes in...was the anthrax vaccination worth it? Hell no.....

Is the polio vaccine worth it....yes! But understand some are gonna have bad side effects. What system is in place to help those unlucky few? In the military they pay you for the rest of your life....idk what is in place for regular civilians.

a reply to: Sremmos80

what do you mean by link it ? . i have given the name of the paper and the date what more do you want from, me ?

and as to weather you believe me i am sure i will have sleepless nights over it . good night.

a reply to: rockpaperhammock

This is what I think too, they certainly benefit many but there will always be a bunch who are negatively impacted by them.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: SpaDe_

You're right, it's just a coincidence

Measles

Diphtheria

Polio

The problem with these graphs is that you can look up other graphs that show the illnesses dropping off long before the vaccine was introduced. The pictures mean nothing.

The problem with vaccines is that they are created and pushed by corporations that want nothing but profits. The cannot be sued directly. You must go through vaccine court to get compensation for harm which is extremely difficult and costly. This works well for them because the stats that come back from vaccine court show that very few cases come about. But if you can't afford to fight them your case of harm is not recorded. Convenient for pharma.

Health care is driven by profits. If you deny that you live in a dream world. This causes problems. In order to keep profits high people must continue to be sick.

I'm sure vaccines work to get rid of a certain ailment. But, very unfortunately, I believe they also cause another. The sole purpose is to keep you sick which keeps profits high.

a reply to: GetHyped

I believe driving drunk is a personal choice.

The two subjects are not related ... if so how ...

a reply to: artistpoet

They both endanger the lives of others selfishly and recklessly.

But hey, everyone else has airbags so what's the problem?

a reply to: GetHyped

How was the research faked ...
How is Big Pharma also not crooked then when it pushes it's crap on first the medical profession and then it's customers

Things are not as black and white as you would like to think

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: GetHyped

How was the research faked ...

en.wikipedia.org...

How is Big Pharma also not crooked then when it pushes it's crap on first the medical profession and then it's customers

yourlogicalfallacyis.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

Things are not as black and white as you would like to think

Obviously not, but your understanding of the topic is far from enlightened.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: artistpoet

They both endanger the lives of others selfishly and recklessly.

But hey, everyone else has airbags so what's the problem?

How do these vaccines work if those who do not receive them put those who do in danger ... if so then they do not work

So Hey what is the problem

a reply to: artistpoet

Really? This again?

1) Not all vaccines are 100% effective for 100% of people 100% of the time
2) Not everyone can be vaccinated foe healthy reasons (babies, elderly, immunocompromised, allergies, etc.)

These people are protected by herd immunity:

www.vaccinestoday.eu...

You really haven't done your homework.

But if everyone has airbags, what does it matter if I crash into them?

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Have vaccines saved millions of lives or not?.


I think so.

Smallpox annual deaths without vaccination 5 million....vaccines have saved 5 million per year.
Diphtheria annual deaths without vaccination 260,000....vaccines have saved 223,000 per year.
Plus many more in the link below.

www.unicef.org...

www.livescience.com...

www.businessinsider.com...

So If you want these diseases to come back don't get vaccinated.

Also before people chime in with the stuff about Autism.

Autism was coined 70 years ago and the definition of the Autism has changed to include more people so the stats do show the amount of people DIAGNOSED with it of course goes up.

Using your logic.

"Have Doctors saved lives everyone...YES or NO!!"

While disregarding that Hospitals and Doctors are among the leading killers in the U.S. also.

Just because a THING, is a "good" THING, doesn't wipe away the possibility that it is a bad THING too. Your starting premise is a flawed fallacy.

Research the history of vaccines. Look at HOW they started, WHAT they are made of, the DNA involved in batches, the STILL used adjuvants, the mish -mash of useless crap in them that does nothing against new strains. If you spent a couple hours reading what they really are, you'd feel like we've all been experiments for vaccine makers.

a reply to: GetHyped

I have read many studies as it is personal to me ... in that my brother became severely damaged immediately after receiving vaccines

a reply to: artistpoet

The fact is vaccines have saved millions of lives are you trying to say this isn't so?.

a reply to: artistpoet

Then I seriously question your sources and intellectual honesty to fairly weigh the evidence.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Using your logic

crickets

originally posted by: SpaDe_
a reply to: GetHyped

It may very well be. I can show you graphs all day long with similar results. Still proves nothing.

I am not against all vaccinations, but I do not trust Big Pharma, so I will remain skeptical of anything they are peddling that is generating billions in profits for them. If you want to get the jab go for it, but it is and should be everyone's right to choice. You made yours, now let them make theirs.

I agree completely. They cannot be trusted when profit is involved.

This new crap I hear on the radio about, if you don't vaccinate your kid. You're putting my kid at risk. That's bull.

If your child is vaccinated then they should be protected no matter what the rest of the herd is doing. If they are not give them 8 more boosters to help. If that still doesn't protect them the vaccine doesn't work.

The argument pro-vaxers will say to that is... If your kid doesn't get vaccinated then the strain they get will mutate and be different from what my kid is protected from.... Well that goes both ways. If two people are vaccinated they have different compositions meaning whatever they have can mutate and infect the other while there system is developing antibodies. Nullifying the vaccine.

Also people on the radio talk about children that have cancer etc. Compromised immune system from cancer. So if you are not vaccinated they are at risk. Well the common cold has no cure and no vaccine and is the most common illness. So if the child with cancer comes in contact with a person that has the common cold it could be detrimental. Having a vaccine or not in that instance means nothing at all.

a reply to: AngryAtTheBlindBelief

TL;DR "I have no understanding of herd immunity and why it protects those who rely on it"

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: artistpoet

The fact is vaccines have saved millions of lives are you trying to say this isn't so?.

Trying being one of the people whose lives have been permanently damaged from them. People cheer for things until that THING bites them in the a....