Speaking of the Devil....

originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Many of the highest ranking and regular army were openly critical to the ideas of fascism.

And the members of the party, too, including Joseph Goebbels.
I said that already, so what is your point?

Joseph Goebbels was a FASCIST NAZI party member; he was one of Hitler's henchmen, was not Wermacht (army) Luftwaffe (air force). Where are you getting your information?

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

veteranhumanbeing: Does anyone even think to read Hitler's manifesto "Mien Kampf"?

TheConsturKctionofLight: Why would I if it was financed by US industrialists or Bankers?
www.rense.com...
'Mein Kampf' - Hitler Used Rothschild Banker's Typewriter Sometimes it's the symbolic details which speak volumes.
Emil Georg von Stauss, the president of Germany's largest bank, the Deutsche Bank, lent Hitler a portable Remington so he could write his infamous anti-Jewish banker manifesto "Mein Kampf."Von Stauss, a principal Nazi Party fund raiser, also was a longtime business associate of the Rothschilds. Hitler dictated "Mein Kampf" to typists Rudolf Hess and Emil Maurice during his cushy eight-months stay at Landsberg Prison in April- December 1924. (His five-year sentence was commuted. He had a two-room suite with a view and was allowed to receive gifts and visitors.)

Your point? Your information is INCORRECT, there is no mention of anyone you cite in the true dedication. Here is whom he ACTUALLY dedicated "Mein Kampf" to in alphabetical order:
Alfarth, Felix, Businessman born July 5,1901
Bauriedl, Adreas, Hatter, b. May 4, 1879
Casella, Theodor, Bank employee, b. August 8, 1900
Ehrlich, Whilem, Bank employee b. Auust 19, 1894
Faust, Martin, Bank employee, b. January 2, 1901
Hechenberger, Anton, Locksmith, b. Septmber 28, 1902
Koerner, Oskar Businessman, b. March 27, 1899
Kuhn, Karl, Headwaiter, b. July 26, 1897
Laforce, Karl, Student of Engineering, b. October 28, 1904
Newbauer, Kurt, Valet, b. March 27,1899
Pape, Claus von, Businessman, b. August 16, 1904
Pfordten, Theodor von der, County Court Councillor, b. May 15, 1873
Rickmers, Yohann, retired Calvary Captain, b. May 7, 1881
Scheubner-Richter, Max Erwin von, Doctor of Engineering, b. January 9, 1884
Stransky, Lorenz Ritter von, Engineer, b. March 14, 1889
Wolf, Wilhelm, Businessman, b. October 19, 1898.

To quote Mein Kampf: Adolf Hitler dedication, pg xiii Reynal and Hitchcock Publishers 1941 first edition (English New York) copy write 1939 Houghton Mifflin Company.
"On November 9, 1923, at 12.30 in the afternoon, in front of the Felherrnhalle as well as in the courtyard of the former War Ministry, the following men, steadfast in their belief in the resurrection of their people were killed". (see the above)
to continue:
"So called national authorites denied these dead HEROES a common grave. Therefore I dedicate to them, for common memory, the first volume of this work, as the Blood WItNESSES of which they may continue to serve as a brilliant example for the followers of OUR MOVEMENT". Adolf Hitler. Written while incarcerated in Landsberg on the Lech/Prison of the Fortress October 16, 1924.
I have more to say on this.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Joseph Goebbels was a FASCIST NAZI party member; he was one of Hitler's henchmen, was not Wermacht (army) Luftwaffe (air force). Where are you getting your information?

He was a socialist who believed in confiscation of private property by the state.
You can find this stuff in Wikipedia, in the articles on him, and on "nazism".

originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Joseph Goebbels was a FASCIST NAZI party member; he was one of Hitler's henchmen, was not Wermacht (army) Luftwaffe (air force). Where are you getting your information?

He was a socialist who believed in confiscation of private property by the state.
You can find this stuff in Wikipedia, in the articles on him, and on "nazism".

Wikipedia is a substitute 'glance at' for a 'thumbnail' search history (a paragraph); it is no substitute for an entire book written that addresses a specific/entire subject. Goebbels was a FASCIST hiding under the 'good feeling guise' of NAZI FALSE socialism. Read a damn book that is authored by an authority on the subject (contains/has pages of WORDS and footnotes, bibliography) would you at least try, is this the best you can offer; Wikipedia? I have yet to know a PHD that received their advanced degree by reading and quoting Wikipedia as it is the demon child of: LETS DUMB DOWN THE MASSES EVEN FURTHER (and they wont even realize it). Here is the scary thing, if Wikipedia is the only source of information available (or accessed) forevermore think of the power they hold. THEY COULD EVENTUALLY START PERPETRATING MISSINFORMATION or OUT RIGHT LIES. How would you know jmdewey60; YOU TRUST THEM to tell you truths but they DONT HAVE TO if an agenda is in the works. Personally, I HATE WIKIPEDIA because I see its agenda.

originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

I'm fairly certain both Roosevelt and Churchill felt they had no choice at the time . . .

jmdewey60: I was being rhetorical, the point being that you cannot label people just by their associations.

They were the leaders of the free world at the time; so had one disreputable association; having to pretend to be as allies and act upon a treaty for the GOOD of WORLD PEACE (having to hold their noses to oblige) should be forgiven. That association (with Stalin) was singular to that moment; however it created 20 more years of very expensive cold war maneuverings; because Stalin was never trustworthy and continued to incarcerate his political opponents (communism working to better itself--kill those that are not dragging the party line FAIR AND SQUARE), if not you are doomed to die.

a reply to: undo

The same could be said about Hebrew Eloah, base of Elohim. Eloah is actually written אלוה or lit. Alvah showing the close resemblance with the Arabic Allah. Allah and Eloah is the same word, no matter what people claim otherwise.

I did like your approach and the explanation for the Arabic from the Sumerian. The way I see it, the Canaanite patriarch-god El is not some precursor to Elohim or Allah, they simply have the same syllable in their names. A quick look at their respective mythologies and such reveals that there is little if any connection between them other than their name.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Personally, I HATE WIKIPEDIA because I see its agenda.

I would say that if it does have an agenda, it is towards the standard official narrative.
I think that despite that, it still is able to get some things in there that doesn't really help that agenda (if it does have one).

originally posted by: undo
it's an object lesson about the usage of the word for "god" in any given culture. for example, baal was the word for god or lord in phoenicia. zeus was the word for god in rome.

Nope. Deus was. And is. But you have a point, for even the word Devil means God. Gr. Zeus and Lat. Deus may look similar, but they are not as closely related as one might think. The D in Deus is also found in Sanskrit Devi (Goddess) or Deva (God) and Romani Devel (God) and in Greek the D becomes Θ (theta) or Th in Θεός ("Theos"). The theta here corresponds to the Phoenician Teth and the Hebrew ט (Tet), while the D in Deus 7c corresponds to Dalet in Phoenician and Hebrew (ד), Delta (Δ) in Greek.

in other words, there are generic god words applied to gods of the past that don't necessarily mean they are connected to any "evil" god with the same generic god word.

Exactly

for example, enlil's name is broken down into 2 parts: en.lil which means lord air or more properly, lord of the air. the last 3 letters "lil" became the generic god word in mesopotamia, and is applied to all gods of that part of the world for quite a long time.

And in Hebrew Baal (Lord) may simply mean Husband as in "Lord of the House". Thanks for contributing.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Dont forget the many Fasces in US buildings. House of Reps and Senate, the Great seal of the US dollar bill to name a few.

Indeed. Most cops have a fasces or baton in their armory, and while many cops work for decades without ever using it and would hate to use it when they must, other cops just love the feeling of beating the daylights out of people with it left and right as often as they can, they are fascists or lit. fasce-ists, get it?

ETA: It's always a good thing to check one's sources, and after browsing through a few Latin dictionaries, it turns out my memory has fooled me slightly. A fasches is not a baton like I said, but the name of the aforementioned bundle of batons, found in the standart of Mussolini and the Norwegian police badge, and like you said, elsewhere.

My Oxford Latin Desk Dictionary (page 73) says:

fascis, is m bundle, parcel
• fascēs pl bundles of rods, carried before the highest magistrates of Rome, usually with an axe bound up in the middle of them; the power or office of a magistrate.
[!] (Facts box) The fascēs were bundles of wooden rods around 5 ft. long bound together with red thongs; outside of the city of Rome an axe was also bound in among the rods. They were carried by līctōrēs and symbolised a magistrate's authority and power.

Further on page 107 of my Oxford Latin Desk Dictionary:

līctōr, ōris m lictor
[!] (Facts box) Each magistrate who held imperium was accompanied wherever he went by a set number of līctōrēs; they preceded him in a single file, carrying the fascēs on their left shoulder, and would announce his arrival, clear his path and, when necessary, execute his powers of arrest. A consul had twelve līctōrēs, a praetor six

originally posted by: undo
so what happened to the author of the op? i'm interested in his take on my info about zeus.

Hi, sorry, I was away when you posted, nice to see you around

a reply to: undo

Not necessarily globalists, German IG Farben made Zyklon B, and Siemens designed and installed the crematorium ovens as far as I remember. Also, Norwegian Hydro made (and sabotaged) Germany's heavy water used in their nuclear reactor experiments, and after the war, Hydro turned their jackets round and produced Israel's heavy water, at double price for silence.

And it's only natural, it's how money is made, it's what business is all about, and it's fair I think. If there is a demand, someone will fill the gap, if Bush hadn't made the money on Crack gold and Nazi whatever, someone else would've. It's easy to sit here 70 years after the fact and criticise these war-profiteers, but truth be told, war is big business, and where there is money to be made, there is money to be made.

There are many good examples of what happens when an embargo is made on certain products. During the War, the Allies managed to cut off the supply of opium to Nazi-Germany, and what happened? The Nazis developed metadon instead. Another example is when Egypt put a ban on papyrus export way back, for what happened? Parchment was developed by the Greeks and Egypt lost its monopoly on "paper".

originally posted by: undo
jesus' real name is not jesus. it's joshua in english, translation of the hebrew yeshuah.

If we are to believe the people waving palm branches days before his crucifixion, Jesus was named Hoseanna Bar David, or Hosea for short. Hosea, Joshua and Jesus are all shortened forms of the same name, יהושוע or Yehoshua. For fun, search through the gospel for instances where Jesus refers to his family name, Bar David, translated into "David's son":

In all these instances Jesus proves he is not the promised "messiah of the scribes". Note how Jesus always denies being the messiah, hey he even runs to the hills to seeks refuge from the ones trying to make him king/messiah. We all know why, as the Sanhedrin and the Romans declare him king moments before killing him (well nearly killing him, that is). Saying Jesus is the Messiah is to want him dead. And they DO want him dead, the Christians, his death is all they desire. They refer to it as the willing perfect innocent sacrifice that wash away the sins baptism can't wash off. Jesus Christ is their purge mechanism, a med-pack or bonus life. Vampires and zombies.

Jesus, was the unwilling king. Christians should really READ what Jesus says and fire their evil priests and ministers who teach them that Jesus (and assumably others too, eh) had to die (since he was perfect) so they can live (since they don't deserve it as long as Jesus is alive).

CHRISTIAN HUMAN SACRIFICE DOCTRINE IS EVIL!

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: undo

The same could be said about Hebrew Eloah, base of Elohim. Eloah is actually written אלוה or lit. Alvah showing the close resemblance with the Arabic Allah.

[eta]That is Al-VH or 'The VH' or 'From VH'. JHVH = JaH + VeH, so eloah is sort of a constructive element of the Tetragrammaton. [/eta]

Also, in Arabic the voiced fricative /v/ isn't normally pronounced other than in names and loanwords. Thus (according to Wikipedia), "The Standard Arabic and dialects did not have the letters V and P [...] Foreign sounds /p/, /v/ are usually transcribed as ب /b/ and ف /f/, respectively."
See ==> en.wikipedia.org... + en.wikipedia.org... + en.wikipedia.org...

The Arabic labio-velar approximant /w/ is sounded "Aoa" and is closer to the Greek Omega than the Hebrew Vav, which is generally /v/ or also /u/ and /w/ and a few others.
See ==> en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

ugaritic

i think you can see the interplay of enlil and enki, under the titles of the canaanite el and yah. EL = enlil in their stories and YAH = ea (enki)
too many coincidences. the cross cultural versions of biblical events act as guide posts for understanding the bible, as well. such as enki warning the sumerian noah (your namesake) of the impending flood that enlil wanted to inflict on the planet. or enki confusing the languages at babel with his "namshub"

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

well my theory is jesus (enki-ea) was ending human and animal sacrifice, which had been started long before, by enlil. the curse in the garden was enlil's institution of human sacrifice, since before that, humans didn't have an expiration date.

a reply to: undo

Nah, still have to sacrifice a goat to make the drum of war

To me the Torah is very much about how to stay clean and free of disease. I believe the old Hebrews made soap from the ashes and fats of the cattle they sacrificed. And the rest of the sacrifices were food for the priest caste, the Cohenim. They didn't just burn it and tossed the ashes away. Ashes and fats were processed and used for cleaning, everything from hands and feet to houses and the Temple. For all I know the Temple of Solomon was an industrial level soap factory. The salvation from uncleanness involved, to me, was the soap they produced from these sacrifices and which I claim they used to stay clean as a first line defence against infections. I have a thread about how to make soap from potash. In ancient Egyptian scrolls I have even found quite elaborate distillers for making oils and spiritus and other chemicals, and you can still buy simple pocket-sized distillers like the one below in Cairo marketplaces:



The word Chemistry and Alchemy both come from Arabic Khemet which means Egypt (as in land of Kam/Ham) Al-Khemet -- 'From the Land of Khem' -- Egypt. There are several ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs that can be nothing else than distillers and other chemical equipment, you could make quite an elaborate lab using only instruments modeled after certain hieroglyphs, a couple of them are quite similar to the pic above. Below is a link to a .pdf showing all unicode 7.0 hieroglyphs:

==> www.unicode.org...

I believe the blindness of Saul Paulus was due to drinking methanol, which causes blindness which can be terminal unless you are sober enough to dilute it with equal amounts of ethanol. Paulus learnt this trick and later used the same method against Jesus' son to blind him (read Acts 13).

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

have you seen my thread

ENOCH'S DUDAEL
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

have you seen my thread

ENOCH'S DUDAEL
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hm, have you any idea about the physical location of Dudael?

PS: I edited the post above probably after you read it and replied (the one with the pic of the pocket-still).....
PS2: Looks like I had already starred and flagged the Dudael thread, so yes, I must have read it. I do agree, you have a case there. I'll write a reply in light of my own recent research. Love your link between Azazel and Hadad, makes sense.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

have you seen my thread

ENOCH'S DUDAEL
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hm, have you any idea about the physical location of Dudael?

PS: I edited the post above probably after you read it and replied (the one with the pic of the pocket-still).....

read the first post in the thread (the op of enoch's dudael)

and thanks for the egyptian hieroglyphs pdf!