French Magazine which portrayed Prophet 10 Dead in Office.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Shiloh7

Just because a few peeps from a religon act like idiots does not make them all that way. Remember the Iraq war. Bush was quoted saying he went to war because God told him too.. 1.5 million dead in an illegal war. Does that make all Christians idiots..

No, the fact they have an imaginary friend right into aldulthood probably does though...

Sorry I couldn't resist XD

Personally, I don't care what religion a person has. Some people get comfort from faith. I have no problem with that.

Unfortunately I haven't found a religion yet that confines itself strictly to spiritual matters and leaves political matters and economic matters outside of their radius of interest. (I'm writing from a Buddhist perspective and I can tell you that there is nothing being done by Muslims today that has not been done by Buddhists at one time or one place or another, although perhaps with different killing and stealing implements.)

People might not like to hear it, but it is true. Buddhism is still a great religion and the religion for me. Some Buddhists, even some great Buddhists are perhaps a little too adept at multi-tasking.

originally posted by: Aliian

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Aliian

The scumbags who killed these unarmed cartoonists were simply expressing their right to free speech??

EXACTLY!

And when that point is understood, the whole world will be at peace!

K, see where you're coming from, let's be realistic, and I'm speaking from experience. You're in Paris and on the way to the market to buy some vegetables to cook a stew. You're wearing khaki shorts and a t-shirt, have to, it's summertime there and it's very hot and muggy.

You're at the stand looking at the veggies and some men surround you and start saying mutterings that aren't very nice. Infidel dog whore is the main theme of their comments. You leave and they start yelling and throwing stones at you, you run as fast as you can to the metro.

According to your theory I offended them by wearing shorts and a t-shirt and shopping for veggies. According to you I should be wearing a burka so as not to offend them. So your premise is that France should change completely to islamic rules so as not to offend them. They also are anti-alcohol so I guess France should ban wine to make them comfortable.

What other elements of France's culture should they give up to appease these misunderstood people? You know France is the country of satire and Voltaire right? You're already asking them to give up that? Seriously? France has a right to it's culture! Not hands up, it should be "Hands Off" culture!

STM

According to the feed from Le Figaro, the Kouachi brothers have been on the "No Fly" list for years.

2nd.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
Apparently a number of community websites in the region of Val d'Oise, just west of where the search has been ongoing, have been hacked by Islamist hackers, who have replaced the home pages with Islamist slogans and designs.

This is one of the images:

The community, Jouy-Le-Moutier, is northwest of Paris on the Oise river. The website looks normal now but the "tab" says "Hacked by L'APoca-Dz".

According to the live feed from Le Figaro, the message reads:

www.lefigaro.fr...

"The Islamic State Stay Inchallah, Free Palestine, Death to France, Death to Charlie" , signé "L'APoca-DZ".

If I were the French Govt. I would put a lot of extra security around and on the bridges close to Notre Dame. It is considered the heart of France.

STM

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: Shiloh7

Did you know?

Sources:

1. www.theguardian.com...
2. www.telegraph.co.uk...

OM EFFING GOD! ARE YOU SERIOUS!

Those French bastards exercised their freedom to publish whatever cartoons they WANTED in THEIR magazine!

HOLY SH!T! This is a travesty. Where are the guillotines? Oh the humanity....

a reply to: seentoomuch

They have 88,000 police of all descriptions deployed on this manhunt and I am sure a lot of them are guarding places like Notre Dame, but can you imagine trying to cover all of the cultural treasures of France? That's a job!

a reply to: Jamie1

Those French bastards

Indeed.

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: Aliian

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Aliian

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Aliian

The scumbags who killed these unarmed cartoonists were simply expressing their right to free speech??

EXACTLY!

I wouldnt Call killing free speach. This killing was free physical action without Words.

Right. And you're probably offended by it. You have your own definition of free speech. They have theirs.

You have different beliefs. They simply believe that if offended they have right to return offense. So, they have spoken, using their language. The language of action.

You are either trolling for a reaction, insane or a true Islamic extremist.

You will get no further response from me.

Yeah. That's the problem. Refusing to believe that others have a different belief and act according to their own understanding of free speech, is the source of all this drama. If you could explain why you could have a right to offend without expecting a response in return, I'd be happy to hear it.

According to one cartoonist featured in the Le Monde feed, St. Peter is already exasperated at the behavior of the atheist cartoonists, who are running amok in Heaven. I think a translation is not necessary.



It raises the question, "What to do with the virtuous unbeliever, when it walks through the Pearly Gates?"

a reply to: ipsedixit

So true! I lived in Paris during the St Michel bombings, 5 minute walk from my apartment, my husband and I helped with stretchers and then watched them pull over 150 injured from the metro. The creep who masterminded that attack is the mentor to these two current creepos.

Most of the story has been removed from the internet, it's all PC now, just a quick summation, but I remember. The statement from the rebel Algerians that lived in Paris was that they wanted to finish what the nazis had started. They wanted body parts to rain over Paris (bomb on a plane was supposed to detonate over the Eiffel Tower, stopped just in time).

They also wanted to drown all the "rats" in the Metro by flooding the lines at rush hour with an explosion at an under river line (bomb went off one stop early but injured 150, killed 8 people). Trash cans all over the city blew up with strong explosives, pre-k schools were attacked. The city was under siege.

The thought of that returning is beyond horrible and I hope and pray that the French people once again stand strong and protect their home from these monsters.

STM

originally posted by: ipsedixit
According to one cartoonist featured in the Le Monde feed, St. Peter is already exasperated at the behavior of the atheist cartoonists, who are running amok in Heaven. I think a translation is not necessary.

It raises the question, "What to do with the virtuous unbeliever, when it walks through the Pearly Gates?"

Hey that raises a big question!
If animals are not allowed in heaven, then how did they get the pearls to make the fancy gate?



-great cartoon btw lol.

a reply to: canucks555

I think the current Pope has been trying to negotiate the entry of pets into Heaven with their owners, so there is hope.

It is a good cartoon. It has the paradoxical quality of great humor and is thought provoking.

originally posted by: Aliian
Yeah. That's the problem. Refusing to believe that others have a different belief and act according to their own understanding of free speech, is the source of all this drama. If you could explain why you could have a right to offend without expecting a response in return, I'd be happy to hear it.

The source of all this drama is a clash of cultures. One culture responds to offensive material with words, lawsuits or boycotts; the other responds with death threats, acts of violence and killing sprees.

originally posted by: seentoomuch

originally posted by: Aliian

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Aliian

The scumbags who killed these unarmed cartoonists were simply expressing their right to free speech??

EXACTLY!

And when that point is understood, the whole world will be at peace!

You're at the stand looking at the veggies and some men surround you and start saying mutterings that aren't very nice. Infidel dog whore is the main theme of their comments. You leave and they start yelling and throwing stones at you, you run as fast as you can to the metro.

According to your theory I offended them by wearing shorts
STM

You don't get my meaning. If you decide to have multiple groups of people in the same society, then you shouldn't deliberately pick on them. They shouldn't pick on you either. You don't have to dress like them. We give offense to people all the time, everyday. But, usually, it's not deliberate. It's impossible to walk about in this world without threading on other peoples rights. We are constantly transgressing in other peoples habitat. This is why, when the Disciples asked Jesus how they should pray, he only gave them one prayer, which includes the phrase "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us." So, go about your daily routine without worry. But, when "tempted" to deliberately give offense, either in playful way, or for spite, refrain from that "temptation". That's why the other part of the same prayer says "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."

Just because someone does something wrong, and you observe this, doesn't mean that you too should do something wrong.

But, again, since you have "free speech". You "can" do things if you want. You have the physical ability to do them. But, when you do, you shouldn't be surprised when others use their "free speech" in a different way from you, to respond.

Let's take this French cartoon case again.

The cartoonists have free speech and exercise their free speech by creating cartoons of the prophet.
That's their right. Nobody stops them. It is done.

The attackers have free speech and exercise their free speech by removing the cartoonists from the environment.
That's their right. Nobody stops them. It is done.

Now, you could decide to "protect" one free speech and "prohibit" the other.
To do this, you put armed police guards in front of the cartoonists workplace.
If you put enough of them, then the attackers could never enter the building and exterminate the cartoonists.

Putting the police guards there, however, is immediately an acknowledgement that the other type
of "free speech" exists, and you're just trying to prevent the attackers from expressing their views.

The police, however, could just as well have prevented the cartoonists from printing their cartoons.

Why would the police protect the cartoonists, but not the Muslims?

Why would the police force be used to protect one type of offense and prevent the other?

You shouldn't need police guards in front your door. That's an expensive way to protect free speech.
Why doesn't everybody get police guards in front their door? What is it that you're doing so differently,
that you need special treatment? See the point?

originally posted by: Dark Ghost

originally posted by: Aliian
Yeah. That's the problem. Refusing to believe that others have a different belief and act according to their own understanding of free speech, is the source of all this drama. If you could explain why you could have a right to offend without expecting a response in return, I'd be happy to hear it.

The source of all this drama is a clash of cultures. One culture responds to offensive material with words, lawsuits or boycotts; the other responds with death threats, acts of violence and killing sprees.

No. Both sides respond with violence. One side has "organized violence" on it's side, called "the police", while the other has to "improvise violence" in a random fashion to compete.

originally posted by: Aliian
You don't get my meaning. If you decide to have multiple groups of people in the same society, then you shouldn't deliberately pick on them. They shouldn't pick on you either. You don't have to dress like them. We give offense to people all the time, everyday. But, usually, it's not deliberate. It's impossible to walk about in this world without threading on other peoples rights. We are constantly transgressing in other peoples habitat. This is why, when the Disciples asked Jesus how they should pray, he only gave them one prayer, which includes the phrase "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us." So, go about your daily routine without worry. But, when "tempted" to deliberately give offense, either in playful way, or for spite, refrain from that "temptation". That's why the other part of the same prayer says "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."

You haven't traveled much, have you.

First, who says they don't want us to dress like them? You? Can I wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia? If I can't can I insist they not cover up in America as it upsets me to see women treated in a such a way? No, why not? It offends me to the core.

It goes both ways according to your theory, no? Is it just one way? Just us that have to change our ways to please them? I really don't care if they are anti social in so many ways, just don't tell me to live their way. If they want that I'll buy them a ticket home where it is as they like it.

2nd: I have never met one muslim who followed and lived Christ's teachings. Don't make me give you examples, you won't like it.

STM

These two terrorists must have some serious help staying safe and hidden from 88 to 90 000 strong military poilice force hunting them. And 5 Super Puma helicopters With heat seeking cameras.

90 000 strong military police force is enough manpower to invade a smaler nation. Russia dont even have that many along the Ukraine border.

I find it hard to believe that these two presumed AQ trained terrorists have this kind of training. And are doing this by themself without some serious high Level help. No way. ANd what about K9s. There are probably a few of them tracking these two as well.

Dont any of you have any thought about this ? Or are you guys to busy arguing amongst Yourself about evil religion.

originally posted by: seentoomuch

2nd: I have never met one muslim who followed and lived Christ's teachings. Don't make me give you examples, you won't like it.

STM

I know Muslims don't follow Christ's teachings. Although, many of their teachings are the same as Christ, they miss one major ingredient. They force people to follow the rules, while Christ's basic teaching is that those who "hear" the word, and understand it, will follow on their own accord. There's no need for coercion. Incidentally, many Christians don't even understand this point. So, it's kinda hard to expect the Muslims to get it.

For example, Jesus says,

Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Now the Muslims also believe this, but they cover up the woman head to toe, to "prevent" the man from seeing the woman. Which is not Jesus' intent. The christian should be able to look at the woman without lust, and she doesn't have to be "hidden" from view. So, there are subtle differences in implementation of the same set of ideas. The Muslim only gets the lust out of his heart by "not seeing". The Christian can "see" and because he is filled with the "holy spirit" he doesn't have any impure thoughts about her.

Sorry, I'll never trust a muslim, not after what I've experienced first hand. Y'all think what you want to, make it all rainbow bright and pretty, I'll go with reality.

As to the ongoing hunt, wow, left a ID card, 3rd creep gave himself up and said he was in school. Maybe he was, and maybe that ID didn't belong to one of the creeps who did this. Batten down the hatches, Paris. Same to London. Until they're found it's better to be safe than sorry.

STM