Black Protesters Storm NYC Restaurants – Target & Harass White People Eating Brunch

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
How can you say they are racially motivated?

Trends come not from individual incidents, but over a longer period of time. The trend says that police interact with black people at a rate that outpaces that of any other ethnic group in our society per capita. With all other things being equal, the underlying factor is race. Now, whether you want to blame black people or cops for the problems, it makes no difference. The problem of racial bigotry is still there.

What are all the other things that are equal, and how do you know they're equal?

Is the disproportionate percentage of blacks committing crime caused by their skin color?

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

If more black people as a percentage of their population have interactions with police, it's statistically more likely that abuse will happen. It's that simple.

Has anyone seen this warm and fuzzy, blame the parents for warning their kids (slap at the New York Mayor perhaps) public service announcement?



The police would seem to disagree with you and suggest that they are the ones to turn to. It appears the statistics demonstrate otherwise if increased interactions lead to increased abuse. That needs to change. Yes there are great cops out there. It's time they step up and protest the bad within their own ranks.

a reply to: Telos


Been throught the crime statistics a few pages back...
White people top the charts for all violent crimes accept for Murder/Manslaughter...

their music

"And they blame it on Marilyn... & the Heroin... where were the parents at... & look where it's at..." - Eminem!

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Of course, these figures are solely based on arrests, not crimes in general. So if race is the factor, then I would say that a crime rate over twice as high as any other race is a pretty telling factor.

Yes, it is telling. I don't think its telling what you want it to, however.

Black people are targeted by the State far more often than Whites, with conviction rates higher than Whites, and sentences longer than Whites for the same infractions.

Yes, and of course the only variable of causation in this data is the pigmentation of the suspects skin.

Right.

And what evidence do you have to support your hypothesis that skin pigmentation is cause of this data?

There's a concept called causation vs. correlation. Have you ever heard of it?

originally posted by: Jamie1
Is the disproportionate percentage of blacks committing crime caused by their skin color?

I've already addressed this. Please follow along.

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
You say "nuanced", I say "clarification".

When your post goes from targeting all black people with an umbrella term like "black culture", to a much more pointed in grouping, yeah, that's the definition of nuanced.

I added clarification because I felt you did not grasp the meaning behind my statements. Whether this is an error in my syntax or in your reading comprehension, I cannot say, and discussing it further would drift the thread.

So, you judge your dealings on the goings on of a group of people displaced by a natural disaster, and one person trying to get ahead and his friends teasing him?

Not a very strong stance, but whatever.

The people I interacted with were not displaced, I filled a vacancy. They were native Memphis residents. But that's beside the point. You asked for a personal experience with American Blacks and their culture, and I gave you one.

That you dismiss my experience is of course up to you, but I provided what you asked for.

Now, on the topic that I had originally posited, please explain how a multifaceted approach to solving the problem would be a bad thing, in any way.

originally posted by: Jamie1
And what evidence do you have to support your hypothesis that skin pigmentation is cause of this data?

There's a concept called causation vs. correlation. Have you ever heard of it?

scholar.google.com... gQMwAA

This should be more than enough information, on both sides of the argument, for you to make an informed decision.

ETA: I have decided that I cannot continue discussing the topic of race on ATS. All further replies to my posts with be ignored. No prejudice, I just don't see the point.

we need to have police have the ability to execute. People have too much freedome, white or black.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Telos


Been throught the crime statistics a few pages back...
White people top the charts for all violent crimes accept for Murder/Manslaughter...

their music

"And they blame it on Marilyn... & the Heroin... where were the parents at... & look where it's at..." - Eminem!

On a per capita basis, to even it out, whites are way behind.

Here is the 2012 FBI arrest chart by type of crime and race:

FBI 2012 Chart

Take the "white" column and divide it by 5.74 for each stat to even the numbers by population and you will see that blacks beat out white in almost every category. DUI, Liquor Laws and Drunkenness, I believe, are the only categories in which whites have more arrests. So I think DUI cops are racist against white drivers....

On the opposite end, if you change the murder/manslaughter arrests to reflect the numbers of the white population, you have to multiply the figure given for blacks by 5.74, which would account for 24,125 killings for blacks versus the 4,101 by whites.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

However quite a few responses within the thread have been blatant race baiting attempts to generalise the black community.

Someone's never lived in the ghetto.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Culture of the gangs not black people...

Other than that I agree...

But I'd also look at gentrification & the fact that police presence is mainly situated within the inner city...

Which combined lead to racial profiling, whether that's completely or even partly intentional, is the basis point of most of these protests.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Culture of the gangs not black people...

Other than that I agree...

But I'd also look at gentrification & the fact that police presence is mainly situated within the inner city...

Which combined lead to racial profiling, whether that's completely or even partly intentional, is the basis point of most of these protests.

Yes, exactly. Though people of all races contribute to gang culture, I would point out that the gang culture is particularly strong among impoverished black youths.


ETA: Though I do take issue with "gentrification". I seems when white folks move into a predominately black community, people cry "gentrification". But when white folks move OUT of a predominately black community, people cry "white flight".

It seems no matter what white folks do, it's always somehow racist.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

How can you say they are racially motivated?

The same way you can say that none of it is racially motivated...

But given the diversity of society in general, & the fact that racism does still exist in many forms...

It seems a bit delusional to think that it doesn't creep into Law enforcement at all.

I never said it was a majorative, nor did I even say it is equal...
I just said a percentage, maybe I should have said small percentage to elaborate...


But I don't think its non existent, & having seen it in London, why would I assume it doesn't happen in the U.S?

Tit-for-tat. Counter-protesters should walk into a Popeyes at lunchtime and start reading the names of those victimized by the knockout game. Think they would last as long as those who invaded the brunch spots? What started off as protests about police brutality has devolved into a racial thing. This country has remained the same over the decades. MLK is rolling over in his grave.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Vasa Croe

How can you say they are racially motivated?

The same way you can say that none of it is racially motivated...

But given the diversity of society in general, & the fact that racism does still exist in many forms...

It seems a bit delusion to think that doesn't creep into Law enforcement at all.

I never said it was a majorative, nor did I even say it is equal...
I just said a percentage, maybe I should have said small percentage to elaborate...


But I don't think its non existent, & having seen it in London, why would I assume it doesn't happen in the U.S?

I am sure it is racially profiled, but if you have a neighbor that has robbed 15 of 20 homes in your neighborhood, then you get robbed, are you going to blame him because he is a certain race, or because he has committed 15 other robberies in the neighborhood, or not blame him at all and say it must have been someone else.

Profiling exists.....for good reason. I have no issues with profiling. Just like the figures show that whites are arrested for more alcohol related offenses....whites tend to go to bars and drink more than blacks then drive home is my guess.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I understand what you're saying Vasa...

You're judging this by the 77% white vs 14% black...

However the argument has always been "neighbourhood" or "ghetto" or "inner city" when people have made their point for black crime...
So in fairness we should deduce that it's also white people of the "neighbourhood", "ghetto" or "inner city" & then have a look at population statistics...

Otherwise it's an unfair comparison.


I hope that makes sense.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Born & Raised in London's equivalent...

Further evidence you have no idea what you're talking about.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I understand what you're saying Vasa...

You're judging this by the 77% white vs 14% black...

However the argument has always been "neighbourhood" or "ghetto" or "inner city" when people have made their point for black crime...
So in fairness we should deduce that it's also white people of the "neighbourhood", "ghetto" or "inner city" & then have a look at population statistics...

Otherwise it's an unfair comparison.


I hope that makes sense.

Sure, but then you have to take into account that most whites do not live in those areas so it would be biased to solely use them. I am using population as a whole in the US, not specific areas. If someone told me that crime rates were higher in large cities I would agree....large population in a dense area creates a lot more tension and means for crimes to occur....just as when the weather gets hot more crimes occur.

My problem with those that use the inner city, ghetto argument, is that they are picking and choosing their statistics to fit their agenda. I could say crime rates in prison are higher than in my neighborhood by 1000% and likely be on the low side, but if the stats fit the point I am trying to make then I could use it in the same manner as some.

I choose to use overall stats for the entire population of the US....far more relevant to the overall argument than to pick a specific demographic subset in order to justify a conclusion.

“No Justice, No Quiche” The #Blackbrunch Planning Manual and Rulebook (For Black Eyes Only)

Hmmm. The cat's out of the bag

In a document obtained by Weasel Zippers, activists outline their plans for disrupting businesses, assigning members of their group to stall and talk with store owners and management. They assign various persons the tasks of taking photos, shooting video, interacting with police and ensuring the safety of illegal and disruptive demonstrations.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Born & Raised in London's equivalent...

Further evidence you have no idea what you're talking about.

And in the ghettos I grew up in, crime was an intrinsic aspect of the culture.

What was it like in London's ghettos?