Black Protesters Storm NYC Restaurants – Target & Harass White People Eating Brunch

a reply to: Kali74

What reality are you exposing? Everyone already knows the police are getting more and more violent, and there's less and less accountability.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I guess I am used to sophomoric discourse, being a parent and all. And there are some excellent points being made to counter the editorialized op source.

a reply to: Kali74

If it happens so much, then the rage is with the police, the department and the elected officials.
Seems that in these Liberal/Progressive bastions, that it happens a lot. And those same areas consistently elect the same people.

If it does happen as much as you state, where are the civil rights violation lawsuits? The NAACP would love to help out and has yet to pass up such things.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: th2356

Yes :-)

Sources count - if we are to understand intent

I have to leave unfortunately - it will be very interesting to see where this thread ends up - later

Pretty sure this thread will end up closed for mod review. Obvious race bait threads like this one often do...

And yes, checking out the source is the VERY FIRST THING one should do when considering any kind of info. I am happy to see that there are still a few intelligent people like you around who have the brain power to understand this.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: j.r.c.b.

I read the article. One person tweeted that that had happened - I asked if it could be verified. Can it?

Is that all it takes is one tweet to convince you it actually happened?

Why no arrests?

Also - consider the source

Actually, it was mentioned a few times, only once by a tweet....

a reply to: macman

I honestly can't believe any American is this ignorant about this...

And those same areas consistently elect the same people.

If only people were trying to raise awareness eh? Maybe if enough people were aware how serious the problem is they might realize policies have to change and if people realize policies need to change gosh they might just vote differently.

where are the civil rights violation lawsuits?

Really? There's thousands of them, everywhere. In fact NYC may just break even between the cops only performing necessary arrests (LOL how many unnecessary arrests were they making anyway?) and not issuing citations and what the city had to pay out in lawsuits for civil rights violations.

a reply to: DancedWithWolves

Sophomoric and against the T&C aren't interchangeable accusations. You made a statement saying that there are posts against the T&C in this thread. It is possible to be sophomoric and childish while still being within the T&C. Saying that there are T&C violations is a severe accusation, and you shouldn't just fling it around lightly.

I think you are just mad that not everyone is blindly siding with the protesters here.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't think anyone that has read a thread regarding race is surprised by who is posting and which sides of the argument they are on.

I did some calling around to both cops and restaurant people I know. Finally heard back from them this morning. Only one person knew what I was talking about initially. His restaurant is in Stuytown, so only a few blocks away. My NYPD cousin had to call around himself. Nothing was reported.

This is a non-starter. There were no arrests. The cops weren't even called and the two places that this occurred in are frequented by liberal yuppies. It's just further indoctrination for them. Really this was played to be something it wasn't.

Here's a link to a NY Post article. Basically the same crap as posted earlier.

Where are the protests for thousands of black youths killed by other black youths each and every year?! Maybe that violence should be addressed and the rest will just go away.

originally posted by: Kali74

I honestly can't believe any American is this ignorant about this...

Just because Sharpton says it happens...doesn't make it so.
Coming from the LE community, in AZ..the racial aspect was very very very small.
I worked with LE from agencies from the whole Phoenix based area and did not witness racism.
I worked with numerous agencies outside of AZ as well and didn't see the racism you and a handful of others state.

originally posted by: Kali74

If only people were trying to raise awareness eh? Maybe if enough people were aware how serious the problem is they might realize policies have to change and if people realize policies need to change gosh they might just vote differently.

Again, the issues all seem to be within the Progressive meccas like NYC and Oakland. Maybe the issue is those areas and the leaders in those areas. And maybe, just maybe the people within those areas, which elected the same leaders, pushed the Progressive stances and ways.

originally posted by: Kali74
Really? There's thousands of them, everywhere. In fact NYC may just break even between the cops only performing necessary arrests (LOL how many unnecessary arrests were they making anyway?) and not issuing citations and what the city had to pay out in lawsuits for civil rights violations.

And just because there is a lawsuit, doesn't mean there is a violation.
Prisoners file lawsuits for melted ice cream.
And departments and cities will settle, even when there is no chance the lawsuit will have any chance of winning, only to have the problem go away.

And NYC is one of the highest of held Progressive capitals. They brought the stop and frisk actions, which are Unconstitutional.


So...a recap..The issues are mostly happening where again? Oh yeah, Liberal/Progressive strongholds.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DancedWithWolves

Sophomoric and against the T&C aren't interchangeable accusations. You made a statement saying that there are posts against the T&C in this thread. It is possible to be sophomoric and childish while still being within the T&C. Saying that there are T&C violations is a severe accusation, and you shouldn't just fling it around lightly.

I think you are just mad that not everyone is blindly siding with the protesters here.

If you don't agree with party line, you're sophomoric and moronic.

It couldn't possibly be that people live in their own realities and formulate opinions based on their unique experiences.

originally posted by: Bilk22
I did some calling around to both cops and restaurant people I know. Finally heard back from them this morning. Only one person knew what I was talking about initially. His restaurant is in Stuytown, so only a few blocks away. My NYPD cousin had to call around himself. Nothing was reported.

This is a non-starter. There were no arrests. The cops weren't even called and the two places that this occurred in are frequented by liberal yuppies. It's just further indoctrination for them. Really this was played to be something it wasn't.

Here's a link to a NY Post article. Basically the same crap as posted earlier.

Where are the protests for thousands of black youths killed by other black youths each and every year?! Maybe that violence should be addressed and the rest will just go away.

Which goes back to my earlier question.

Why are all the white people in this thread so upset that this happened?

a reply to: macman

Yes because people wear pins that state they're racist. You didn't see it so it must not exist. I guess I better get myself arrested and sue because I really need a car... seriously? Didn't you say there's not a problem, that racist policies don't exist? Now that you have moved on to blaming liberals and progressives you see it and acknowledge it's unconstitutional?

Dude... lol

originally posted by: th2356

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: th2356

Yes :-)

Sources count - if we are to understand intent

I have to leave unfortunately - it will be very interesting to see where this thread ends up - later

Pretty sure this thread will end up closed for mod review. Obvious race bait threads like this one often do...

And yes, checking out the source is the VERY FIRST THING one should do when considering any kind of info. I am happy to see that there are still a few intelligent people like you around who have the brain power to understand this.

Can you point out why you think this thread is "race baiting?" I'm curious.

originally posted by: Jamie1

originally posted by: th2356

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: th2356

Yes :-)

Sources count - if we are to understand intent

I have to leave unfortunately - it will be very interesting to see where this thread ends up - later

Pretty sure this thread will end up closed for mod review. Obvious race bait threads like this one often do...

And yes, checking out the source is the VERY FIRST THING one should do when considering any kind of info. I am happy to see that there are still a few intelligent people like you around who have the brain power to understand this.

Can you point out why you think this thread is "race baiting?" I'm curious.

"Race Baiting" is a term that likes to be thrown about in threads like this. Sometimes incorrectly, as you have pointed out.

a reply to: Kali74

Oh, you think that because there isn't an armband or something, that people, especially within the close community of LE, that racism wouldn't be identified?
Clueless.

Working daily with people, in the operations and activities in LE, you end up knowing not only other people's views, but their kids middle names, why their wife had them sleep on the couch 3 years ago and so on.

And please show me a Law or Policy that states anything about going after people of certain colors or races.

And....yes, I stated what NYC did with the stop and frisk law is in fact against the Constitution. And...that law did not state to target people of certain color. People in general where stopped. If a community is predominately black, then the law will affect blacks in that area. This is not very hard to understand.
But, in working with LE from NY, they also stopped white people in those predominate black communities..because they did not fit into the community as normal.

a reply to: Jamie1

Let me help you with that.



Using a sensationalized story to elicit a desired outrage is race-baiting.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
It's society at large that they're addressing

You do not address 'society at large' on private property unrelated to the issue.

Sorry - but you will never get me to agree

That had never even entered my thought process.

If what they do is considered trespassing - then let them be arrested

I promise you - they know what they're doing - and you're being annoyed by how, where and more importantly why they do this - is the entire point

I am not annoyed. I am empathetic towards the business owners and patrons who were needlessly harassed by these jackasses who bear no resemblance to the racial justice Dr. King was seeking despite pathetic attempts to equate them to each other.

Dr. King never promoted the fact that “ATTN WHITE Man, I have no guilt disturbing your brunch. Its YOU that has no right to be here. #blackbrunchnyc”.

On the contrary, he understood white people had the right to be there ALONG with black people.

Civil rights violations by officers are costing you far more than a brunch.

When Cops Violate Civil Rights, It's City Taxpayers Who Pay

Schwartz collected data on civil rights settlements related to police misconduct from 44 large and 37 small or midsized police departments across the United States, covering the years 2006 to 2011. Altogether, these departments employ about 20 percent of the nation's officers.

The information showed that cops very rarely pay out of their own pockets for their civil-rights mistakes. In 9,225 cases in the large cities that were settled or judged for the victim, more than $735 million in damages were awarded. But officers personally paid less than $171,300 of that total—or just .02 percent. In the small or midsized cities, according to Schwartz's research, officers don't appear to have paid a penny of the roughly $9.4 million awarded to victims.

The pattern holds true even in jurisdictions that ostensibly prohibit or severely limit indemnification by law (including New York City), as well as when officers are disciplined or terminated by their department. Schwartz writes:

Despite the wide variation in indemnification statutes, there is little variation in outcome—officers almost never pay.

Of the 44 large police departments analyzed by Schwartz, the NYPD did by far hold the most officers personally accountable: 35 of the 38 or 40 total cops who weren't fully indemnified. (Only three to five of these departments heldanyone financially responsible, according to Schwartz's figures.) In 34 cases, New York City officers paid a total of $114,000—or .03 percent of all the money paid to local victims of civil rights violations during the six-year study window.The median personal payment from these cops came to $2,125.

Source

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
You do not address 'society at large' on private property unrelated to the issue.

Are you the private property owner?

No?

Then why are you so upset about it if they aren't?